To believe, or not to believe....?

[Ana.J]

I don't know of resources for that except the Quraan, unfortunately. For now I'll say that they are real physical places that can be felt exactly just like this life. It is not spiritual or a state of mind and one never dies there. Both are eternal in nature, but not everyone necessarily stays in Hell eternally. I had nightmares about Hell. Perhaps the Islam DIR could have such information.

As for the second part of the question; I believe not necessarily, but the descriptive default position (which is not necessarily the ultimate resolution) has it that yes they will. But that's just my belief in it. More of that too can be acquired in the Islam DIR.

God bless.

Interesting....I just wonder if there is only one heaven and one hell or each religion has its own? And where do those who do not belong to any religion go after they die? Does Islam has a concept of the Final Judgement where God will decide where you belong?

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Where can read about Islamic views on heaven and hell? Do you believe that all non-Islamic people who live a non-righteous life will go to Islamic hell?

When your skin burns to the point you can't feel it as much, it gets peeled off of you and replaced with a fresh skin. You drink boiling fluid and eat some kind of spikey plant. You wear clothes made out of pitch that also burn, and the God who made all this think you pretty much deserve it.

There are several gates for different kinds of people, I forget how many. As an atheist, I go to the one where I cry tears, then blood, then pus. . . until I drown in a lake of my own excreted eye fluids, or something.

So happy it's all a ridiculous fabrication meant to scare kids. God is love indeed.

 

[Aiviu]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

Lets say it is an easier way to bear to have faith. Because in what we believe in will end in the same. We are of the same.

 

[Limo]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

The issue is, you've only one chance, actually irreversible chance
One shouldn't let it go.....

Believe in the Creator and afterlife is a good step but it's not enough to be saved "If there is an afterlife"


To increase your chances, you need to know : Who is the Creator ? What he needs from you ? What you shall do ?

 

[interminable]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

Good
But remember there is only one god and religion that can be valid
So believing in hereafter without specific religion or god is senseless

And Shia gnostics say about heaven
If all the people on earth just see a hair of a heavenly woman all of them will lose their consciousness and if u eat an apple your ears eyes foots... Enjoy as well and this enjoyment will remain with u forever how wonderful!!!!

So can u imagine with hell would be???

A great Shia gnostic says one of the reason that some people will eternally live in hell is that our existence in hereafter is different completely comparing to this carnal world so that just for removing the attribute of greed it may take million of years to be purified by fire

We are just talk about a shadow of hell

After all see here
http://www.religiousforums.com/index.php?posts/4911369

 

[Limo]

Where can read about Islamic views on heaven and hell? Do you believe that all non-Islamic people who live a non-righteous life will go to Islamic hell?

Before knowing about paradise, you need to know who will go there ?
Who goes to paradise?
The following link is describing paradise or heaven
Description of Paradise in Islam

Same for Hell,

Who goes to hell ?
The seven great destructive sins

Description of hill

 

[lewisnotmiller]

1) Of course God does not care if you believe in him or not. It is you and your actions that differ depending on your faith.

Which actions?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Interesting....I just wonder if there is only one heaven and one hell or each religion has its own? And where do those who do not belong to any religion go after they die? Does Islam has a concept of the Final Judgement where God will decide where you belong?

I guess this depends on one's belief. No certain fact can be decided here except what one's own heart states for themselves. By that I mean as an actual end, not the idea. Islam is especially pride based here that it says it is the only true religion and other religions are not true, which means Heaven and Hell the way Islam says are believed to be the only ones. Other religions could have similarities tho. I know this sounds arrogant, but it is just a belief that does not hurt others for simply being a belief. The rest depends on one's decision of what to follow, which I guess is related to why this thread is here. I wouldn't impose it on others and by all means it is not meant to disrespect other religions.

I don't have a good answer to that question, I'm afraid, and I think no human being does. The extent of what I believe in is that God could decide anything He wants that includes forgiveness even for those who don't deserve it, but never punishment for those who don't deserve. In other words, those who deserve to go to Hell could be sent to Heaven instead, but those who deserve to go to Heaven would never go to Hell. God in Islam wouldn't do harm in His ultimate judgement to those who don't deserve it.

 

[Altfish]

better be on the safe side ;-) lol
I think we should have faith in GOD.. coz GOD is not a belief as many thinks but HE's a fact...
Having Faith in GOD and living a righteous life will keep us on the safe side...since even if it falls in the second possibility u mentioned it'll be cool lol

But what if you are believing in the wrong god? What if, say, Thor is the one true god. You've wasted your time praying tote wrong god and are damned anyway

 

[bobhikes]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

A god that punishes someone that does good in there own name instead of the gods is not worth following. A god that forgives someone for bad deeds just because they stroke gods ego and punishes those that live a good life and don't stroke gods ego is not worth following.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hello Guys,
Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....
So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.
So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment
But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?
So is it better to have faith then?

One should believe in G-d with his correct attributes and worship Him and seek His help for the true path of life. Please
Regards

 

[Windwalker]

Just because you might regret what you have done if you will have to correct those mistakes in the next life..

Why not live your life here and now in such a way that at the end of it you look back with no regrets? In fact, this business of the afterlife of rewards or punishments takes the focus off of being fully alive in the present moment before you. You're too busy imagining a future and worrying about yourself than seeing what and who is before in the moment and being love itself in this world where it is needed.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

The actual differences in action and lifestyles between believers and non-believers is nonexistent. There is no "sin", for example, that is more rampant in one community over another. All of the same problems that exist in the secular world are relevant issues in the pious, some are even more pronounced because of the religious community's inability to proactively address them.

Pascal's wager is a joke.
I could attribute deitic qualities and narratives to a magic purple space wizard, and the wager would conclude that faith in the magic purple space wizard would be the best choice to make because, after all, better to have faith and cover my bases just in case he's real, right? The wager and the argument does nothing at all to address the lunacy of the claim that a magic purple space wizard exists... It's a pointless discussion. If you wouldn't argue about the validity of my magic purple space wizard using this argument, then you shouldn't use it for your God.

 

[Lyndon]

God doesn't need you to exist, God exists whether you believe in her or not.

 

[Laika]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

I think discovering there is an afterlife would be devastating, but only for my ego. I think accepting mortality makes me value my life more rather than less because I know "life is short". As time is scarce, how I use it has value. Believing in an afterlife may (but not necessarily) create a false sense of security, so I guess it depends how you use it.

Perhaps there is a certian torment in not knowing if life has value when we think of how small we are, how miniscule our consequences. But that can just as easily be an invitation to have great ambitions. Maybe that could be earthly wealth and power but "consequence" or "legacy" is a less cynical way of putting it, particuarly if its altrustic. Death is humbling and bad for the ego as it makes our narcassistic pretensions to be entitled to be valued seem pretty ridiculous. What use is wealth or power when it cannot buy us a way out of the grave?

Even so, seeking a "consequential" life means doing something that postively impacts future generations by contributing to knowledge and the means of human fulfillment. That may not be godly but it feels like a moral and a satisfying path to take.

 

[Limo]

Interesting....I just wonder if there is only one heaven and one hell or each religion has its own? And where do those who do not belong to any religion go after they die? Does Islam has a concept of the Final Judgement where God will decide where you belong?

I've some addition to Smart_Guy response

I guess ......

As there is only one god, then there is one Final Judgment day and one (the) Judge, then there is only one heaven and one hell

The main question will not be "To which religion you belong ?"
The main questions will be "Do you know Almighty ? Do you recognize him ?, Did you do what he needs you to do?"

Yes, there is a Final Judgement day where you'll be asked the above questions with the following possibilities:

• Succeeded to answer, then your good deeds are compared to your bad deeds, there are 2 possibilities :
  
  • Good deeds are more than bad deeds, you'll go to heaven
  • Bad deeds are more than good deeds, you'll go to hell for some time depending on the size of bad deeds
• Incorrect answer, you'll go to hell eternally

 

[McBell]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

Seems too me that if god is fooled by Pascals Wager, then he does not deserve to be called god.
If god accepts the dishonest foundation of Pascals Wager, again, he does not deserve to be called god.

 

[Windwalker]

Yes, there is a Final Judgement day where you'll be asked the above questions with the following possibilities:

• Succeeded to answer, then your good deeds are compared to your bad deeds, there are 2 possibilities :
  • Good deeds are more than bad deeds, you'll go to heaven
  • Bad deeds are more than good deeds, you'll go to hell for some time depending on the size of bad deeds
• Incorrect answer, you'll go to hell eternally

Sounds like believing that puts one in hell already. So sorry you have to live with that way of thinking. It must be torture to you to imagine yourself and loved ones having to fear a god like that who destroys people who aren't perfect. Doesn't sound very loving.

 

[viole]

Hello Guys,

Just a few thoughts on the faith in God.....

So do you agree that a person who believes in God and the one who doesn't live a different lives? I am not talking about fanatical dogmatic religious followers. Just a person who believes in supreme being/ the Creator and afterlife? Because most religions do imply the existence of afterlife.

So if we live our life believing in God and in the end we will find our that there is no afterlife, we will not care because we will cease to exist. No disappointment

But what if we live our life not believing in God (After us the deluge) and in the end we will find out that there is afterlife and you shall reap what you sow? Won't that be devastating?

So is it better to have faith then?

It depends. If the God you meet at the pearly gates does not like the god you used to believe in, or does not like people who believed without evidence, you are going to reap what you sow, as well.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Some say that God is love. If God = love then we can say that my signature can be read as "God is all you need".

I wonder why they say that. For what we know, God could be evil. There is no reason whatsoever that prevents God from being evil and hating, given the available evidence.

And this is not because of the problem of "evil", since an evil god would have a similar problem with the existence of "good". But because we have no evidence whatsoever of what He is, if He existed.

The fact that people tend to break the symmetry in favor of loving and good, seems to increase the odds of Him being the product of imagination, emotions and wishful thinking, and not rational analysis, I am afraid.

Ciao

- viole