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To the US, and those in doubt before voting :)

Heyo

Veteran Member
This is my own little campaign to the US people :D

Since im from Denmark and can obviously not vote in the US election. But I can't help to care about it as many other people around the world.

And watching the first debate between Trump and Biden, it didn't take long before the Trump threw the Socialism card at Biden, which is obviously done to create fear. As many might know Sanders have often talked about the Nordic countries and how we do things, while you at the opposite side have Fox news etc. referring to Denmark as a socialist country.

Anyway, my hope is that people will watch this lecture from our former Prime minister talking about the danish system and what exactly it is, so some of the confusion can be removed. I personally think that it would help a lot of US citizens that might be struggling and help you create a more equal society.


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Im not the greatest fan of Biden, but he can only be better than Trump. So if you are in doubt, it might be worth watching these two video (Despite them being a bit long) and vote with your heart and for a more equal US in the future.
Donald Trump is the PotUS the US deserves!
When Joe Biden is the best the democrats can come up with, they deserve to lose. And when there is still a minority of about 40% of voters who still hold on to Trump, the public hasn't learned enough, yet. Only another four years of Trump can bring so much suffering that even the last wake up.
And Trump will be good for the EU. By withdrawing from the global political stage and ruining the US reputation, the EU will be more powerful by comparison.
Having said that, my prediction is that Biden will win. He is leading with double digits 10 days before the election.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
As a civic-minded American and a citizen who cares deeply about his country and the direction it's taking, I do what every responsible voter should do before making their ballot choices: I consult a Ouija board.

Well, no, not really, but I think the problem with our system is that it's basically monopoly of the two major parties. There's no room for other ideas, other schools of thought; it's like the political system is locked in some sort of box it can't get out of.
Yeah agree with that.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
And Trump will be good for the EU. By withdrawing from the global political stage and ruining the US reputation, the EU will be more powerful by comparison.
Having said that, my prediction is that Biden will win. He is leading with double digits 10 days before the election.
The EU hasn't managed to stand up to US foreign policy shenanigans even once during Trump's first term. What makes you think that during a second Trump term, the member states would suddenly discover their collective spines, and galvanize around a single foreign policy when they have so far repeatedly failed to do so?
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
And Trump will be good for the EU. By withdrawing from the global political stage and ruining the US reputation, the EU will be more powerful by comparison.
Having said that, my prediction is that Biden will win. He is leading with double digits 10 days before the election.
I don't think Trump will be good for the EU at all. EU is not interested in a "fragmented" US, but rather a strong ally with which we can collaborate, because as it is now, its not exactly easy to work with the Russians or the Chinese, that just do whatever the hell they please. So I think that it is equally in the US best interest for them to have a good and strong relationship with EU.

And Trump is really not the person for doing that.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
In the end, at least Biden will match Sweden on their level of a proactive approach towards Covid, unlike Trump who just wanted us all to run around and die, while knowing we would get sick and die.

I really think he will have a proactive approach beyond Covid in the realization that climate change is not a hoax, that the appointed dept. heads are in the service of the people and not to do the personal bidding of the president, respect for the rule of law. The list goes on and on.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I don't think Trump will be good for the EU at all. EU is not interested in a "fragmented" US, but rather a strong ally with which we can collaborate, because as it is now, its not exactly easy to work with the Russians or the Chinese, that just do whatever the hell they please. So I think that it is equally in the US best interest for them to have a good and strong relationship with EU.

And Trump is really not the person for doing that.
Yeah, Trump isn't one for good relationships. He's just using his power and threatens sanctions because we build a pipeline together with the Russians.
Oh, wait, Biden would do the same. No matter who's president, the US is too powerful - and Trump is actively dismantling that power.
 

Yazata

Active Member
This is my own little campaign to the US people :D

Since im from Denmark and can obviously not vote in the US election. But I can't help to care about it as many other people around the world.

It's ironic, since a campaign issue in the US is "foreign interference" in our electoral system. And no, the shrieking hasn't been coming from our allegedly "xenophobic" right, it's almost entirely from our left. So... how is a foreigner like yourself trying to influence American voters not 'foreign interference'?

Im not the greatest fan of Biden, but he can only be better than Trump.

Why? One of the most annoying things about the Biden campaign is that it's so cagey about explaining precisely what their vision is for the country and for the world. Instead, the whole campaign seems centered on 'Trump sucks!'

Perhaps part of that is because many of their policy positions aren't winners with the American people. So keep the agenda in the closet and attack the opponent.

So if you are in doubt, it might be worth watching these two video (Despite them being a bit long) and vote with your heart and for a more equal US in the future.

I'm very much for that. But I suspect that you and I wouldn't agree on how to accomplish it.

I favor the American Middle Class. The reason why the US has never had the kind of class-division politics that have torn Europe and much of the world apart is because most Americans identify as 'middle class', neither rich nor poor, but kind of in-between. That's the secret of the United States' extraordinary stability over the last going-on 250 years. The US is still on its first republic. How many has France been through in the same period of time?

I favor America continuing as an industrial power. We can't be constantly off-shoring all of our manufacturing jobs without hollowing out and destroying many cities and regions. And what happens to our geopolitical strength when all of our steel, electronics and ship-building has been transferred to China? What will become not only of us, but of everyone (like Denmark) who depends on us and shelters in the protection we provide? It's a recipe for doom, for the destruction of Western civilization.

I favor diversity of opinion and free-expression of ideas. I'm hugely concerned about the continuing left-politization of the media, journalism, entertainment, higher-education and even sport. Everyone who sees it as their role to shape what other people think. We have entered an age when we can be fired from our jobs and even be physically assaulted... for expressing support for the President of the United States! We are much closer to 1984's Ministry of Truth than many people realize.

I favor nationalism, not in any aggressive militaristic sense, but in the sense of a community sharing ideas and values in common. Since ideas and values around the world vary, there should be a multitude of communities all with the autonomy to shape their own domestic affairs, provided they don't threaten their neighbors. Americans mustn't try to reshape the world in our image. Americans have no place telling Danes how to live in Denmark.

Communities are essential. Everyone seems to support things like democracy, racial equality and women's liberation. But none of these ideas exist in a vacuum. They arose in and continue to exist in a particular historical context. If, as the scholars incessantly tell us (in hopes of discrediting traditional beliefs) it's all "socially constructed", then if we value our most basic values, we need to protect and preserve the 'social' that evolved and 'constructed' them.

That means preserving a sense of community where people share more in common than what divides them. It means preserving the symbols that members of a community share in common. It means honoring our parents and all those who came before us, as imperfect as they might have been, for leaving our little corner of the world a little better than they found it. We can't just denounce, pull-down and erase history and have any hope of doing any better.

If we are going to practice identity-politics, it needs to be the broadest and most inclusive identity possible, instead of oxymoronically trying to create unity by dividing everyone by race, class and "gender".

We can't build a healthy culture out of alienation and adolescence.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
And when there is still a minority of about 40% of voters who still hold on to Trump, the public hasn't learned enough, yet.
It's not a matter of learning.

I think there's an assumption from some centrists and liberals that a lot of Trump supporters only support him because they don't understand what he's doing, but I don't think this is the case.

IMO, for most Trump supporters, the fascism, racism and corruption isn't a bug; it's a feature. They know precisely what he's done, and they like it.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
It's not a matter of learning.

I think there's an assumption from some centrists and liberals that a lot of Trump supporters only support him because they don't understand what he's doing, but I don't think this is the case.

IMO, for most Trump supporters, the fascism, racism and corruption isn't a bug; it's a feature. They know precisely what he's done, and they like it.
You may be right but when in doubt I refer to Hanlon's Razor.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The EU hasn't managed to stand up to US foreign policy shenanigans even once during Trump's first term. What makes you think that during a second Trump term, the member states would suddenly discover their collective spines, and galvanize around a single foreign policy when they have so far repeatedly failed to do so?

In few decades Europeans are becoming a minority within the world population. We need the US...it is a fact.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Americans mustn't try to reshape the world in our image. Americans have no place telling Danes how to live in Denmark.
They sure don't. But one can't deny looking at other countries for how they do things, how their population is treated etc. And the US simply have a huge chain around their legs in regards to that, because it is so difficult for them to talk about equality, freedom and democracy without it running off course in debates about socialism, depressions and communism.

But the fact is that by far the majority of European countries have societies which handles a lot of these issues a lot better than the US. How is it possible for European countries to have free education? free healthcare?

Finland - 30 paid vacation days + 10 paid holidays per year by law. And this is not uncommon in the EU.

US - The Federal Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) of 1938 carries no requirements for individual employers to give their employees any paid vacation time. Many companies do still give their employees vacation time and paid holidays to remain an attractive employment option, but they are not legally required to do so.

Yet, Nordic countries manage to top the chart of the most happy countries in the world year after year.

Im not saying that everything is perfect here, but at least it should make people in the US wonder, how on Earth it is possible for the european countries to manage to be highly developed, while at the same time maintain a happy population. When the US, which is considered the richest country in the world is not able to do it?
Even if you were to copy/pasted the model from european countries, you would still be the richest country in the world. So how on Earth is it not possible for you to make sure that ALL people have access to high quality free healthcare and free education, and a decent amount of vacation each year?

But how are anyone going to think about it, if they are misinform and constantly bombarded with information about EU being socialist and communists and what not. Clearly that is not the case.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Can you explain this “Brexit” thing for me?
I’m neither European or American. All I heard was the UK was breaking off and it was mostly a “boomer” decision that left millennials and “zoomers” depressed.

A pile of lies, sponsored by russia, by a few rich elites who are looking to make a quick buck by speculating against the pound.


In a nutshell.

The lie preyed on the gullible through fear. The brexit campaign also employed illegal psychological warfare tactics to sway people into voting pro, while having no clue what exactly they were voting for.


It sounds like a conspiracy, right? Well, it pretty much is.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
A pile of lies, sponsored by russia, by a few rich elites who are looking to make a quick buck by speculating against the pound.


In a nutshell.

The lie preyed on the gullible through fear. The brexit campaign also employed illegal psychological warfare tactics to sway people into voting pro, while having no clue what exactly they were voting for.


It sounds like a conspiracy, right? Well, it pretty much is.

Since this thread is about European Socialism...and the Scandinavian model...may I humbly underline that it is the Brussels élites who advertise the privatization of many things...including and above all, healthcare?
And btw Britain has the single payer healthcare system as Scandinavia does.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This is my own little campaign to the US people :D

Since im from Denmark and can obviously not vote in the US election. But I can't help to care about it as many other people around the world.

And watching the first debate between Trump and Biden, it didn't take long before the Trump threw the Socialism card at Biden, which is obviously done to create fear. As many might know Sanders have often talked about the Nordic countries and how we do things, while you at the opposite side have Fox news etc. referring to Denmark as a socialist country.

Anyway, my hope is that people will watch this lecture from our former Prime minister talking about the danish system and what exactly it is, so some of the confusion can be removed. I personally think that it would help a lot of US citizens that might be struggling and help you create a more equal society.


.

Im not the greatest fan of Biden, but he can only be better than Trump. So if you are in doubt, it might be worth watching these two video (Despite them being a bit long) and vote with your heart and for a more equal US in the future.
I'm getting convinced its not socialism and fascism we should be worried about. Its the Olagarchy that is in power that is the real danger.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Since this thread is about European Socialism...and the Scandinavian model...may I humbly underline that it is the Brussels élites who advertise the privatization of many things...including and above all, healthcare?
And btw Britain has the single payer healthcare system as Scandinavia does.
yea yea

Call me when the healthcare system in the UK gets its 350 million pounds extra, like the brexiteers promised, when they crash out of the EU.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Biden is a monument to the old politics as usual. That's why he was nominated to run on the Democrat ticket, to preserve the powers that be.
That is conspiratorial nonsense. Biden was nominated because he was viewed as the best option against Trump, particularly given the U.S. Electoral College system.
 
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