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When I was in school all math was done on paper(show your work) and some had to be done in your head. Calculators were a no-no.
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Today's youth... What is the problem?
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We Never Know
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Bad analogy. You have to think whether driving a car or horse and cart.
AI is taking thinking out of life in certain areas.
I'm not saying AI is bad but not thinking is.
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I don't use cards for little purchases.
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Not to mention you wouldn't get change... so yeah, you wouldn't notice.
$216 is a little purchase?
I never used to but started during covid because most businesses here requested you not use cash, a few even refused to take cash.
I can't pick on youth for their spelling as I'm woeful and take full advantage of spell check. The only problem is sometimes I've spelt it so badly spell check has no idea what I'm going on about.
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Its not a big purchase.
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Oh we all, myself included take advantage of spell check and/or auto correct. Its takes thinking about spelling out of the equation.
You're richer than me
In my country it's the cash register which does the math.
But...we are speaking of basic arithmetic here...
I mean, calculus teachers are obsessed with algebra and limits and don't focus on arithmetic and that's the result.
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I assure you I am far from rich. My richness comes from life itself.
Didn't say you were rich, I said richer than me. $216 is a big purchase for me and something I'd consider if I really needed before buying.
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Yes. Simple arithmetic is becoming lost.In my country it's the cash register which does the math.
But...we are speaking of basic arithmetic here...
I mean, calculus teachers are obsessed with algebra and limits and don't focus on arithmetic and that's the result.
This is nothing new. Has nothing to do with “today’s teens.”
Ella S.
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Sounds like they're checked out of a job they're used to doing on auto-pilot, which is handled by their System 1, heuristic mind.
Then you give them a math problem, which has to be solved by their System 2 mind because they're not used to handling actual cash and haven't developed the same System 1 heuristics for adding decimals or large numbers that older people had to.
This means they're either going to need a moment to readjust to the new, more cognitively demanding task you've given them, or they're going to half-donkey it and not really do the math properly.
The latter isn't necessarily chosen out of laziness. They're teenagers, which means they're dealing with all of the schoolyard melodrama that comes with, they're juggling school, homework, and a job, and they're in the middle of puberty, which sucks. It's a time of chaos in their lives where they haven't really defined themselves, haven't fully oriented themselves in the world around them, and haven't completely developed the necessary coping mechanisms to deal with all of the stress they're under. That's on top of having many of the same responsibilities of being an adult with almost none of the privileges.
People forget how hard being a teenager is under the best of times. I don't know where you live, but in the US, there's an added bonus to that. Gen Z are nihilists. We're watching climate change go basically completely unchallenged as it destroys the entire world, contributing to widespread climate anxiety. We watched many older generations struggle to pay off student loan debt and even be unable to retire. Most of us realize that all of the rigid values that the older generations have are complete feel-good hogwash at best and outright harmful nonsense at worst, being the least religious generation and thoroughly inundated with political apathy.
And it gets worse. Social media means that young people are often physically isolating themselves from other people to watch the carefully edited highlight reels of other people's lives, some of which are outright faked viral marketing campaigns, leading to a loneliness epidemic. All of the political division of the older generations has trickled down to them through their own guardians and the guardians of the people they know, wedging them even further into a corner, even when they themselves by-and-large don't care so much.
Basically every source of meaning has been robbed from Gen Z and it's a generation of lonely, neurotically anxious nihilists. So they're not going to care as much about getting every cent right for some guy who pays in cash and might as well ride a horse-driven buggy, too, for all they care. At worst, it's going to negatively impact a company that's abusive towards them, anyway, that they want to get away from as soon as they can. They just want to get through their job without having to think too much, because thinking too much just brings up all of this buried garbage back to the surface.
That's where the Gen Z meme of "no thoughts, head empty" comes from. Silence has become so overwhelming that they have to return to their phones to doomscroll any time they end up in a line or in a waiting room just to avoid having to be alone with their own thoughts. And here you are, trying to make them think, the very thing they're trying so hard to avoid.
Then you give them a math problem, which has to be solved by their System 2 mind because they're not used to handling actual cash and haven't developed the same System 1 heuristics for adding decimals or large numbers that older people had to.
This means they're either going to need a moment to readjust to the new, more cognitively demanding task you've given them, or they're going to half-donkey it and not really do the math properly.
The latter isn't necessarily chosen out of laziness. They're teenagers, which means they're dealing with all of the schoolyard melodrama that comes with, they're juggling school, homework, and a job, and they're in the middle of puberty, which sucks. It's a time of chaos in their lives where they haven't really defined themselves, haven't fully oriented themselves in the world around them, and haven't completely developed the necessary coping mechanisms to deal with all of the stress they're under. That's on top of having many of the same responsibilities of being an adult with almost none of the privileges.
People forget how hard being a teenager is under the best of times. I don't know where you live, but in the US, there's an added bonus to that. Gen Z are nihilists. We're watching climate change go basically completely unchallenged as it destroys the entire world, contributing to widespread climate anxiety. We watched many older generations struggle to pay off student loan debt and even be unable to retire. Most of us realize that all of the rigid values that the older generations have are complete feel-good hogwash at best and outright harmful nonsense at worst, being the least religious generation and thoroughly inundated with political apathy.
And it gets worse. Social media means that young people are often physically isolating themselves from other people to watch the carefully edited highlight reels of other people's lives, some of which are outright faked viral marketing campaigns, leading to a loneliness epidemic. All of the political division of the older generations has trickled down to them through their own guardians and the guardians of the people they know, wedging them even further into a corner, even when they themselves by-and-large don't care so much.
Basically every source of meaning has been robbed from Gen Z and it's a generation of lonely, neurotically anxious nihilists. So they're not going to care as much about getting every cent right for some guy who pays in cash and might as well ride a horse-driven buggy, too, for all they care. At worst, it's going to negatively impact a company that's abusive towards them, anyway, that they want to get away from as soon as they can. They just want to get through their job without having to think too much, because thinking too much just brings up all of this buried garbage back to the surface.
That's where the Gen Z meme of "no thoughts, head empty" comes from. Silence has become so overwhelming that they have to return to their phones to doomscroll any time they end up in a line or in a waiting room just to avoid having to be alone with their own thoughts. And here you are, trying to make them think, the very thing they're trying so hard to avoid.
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The teens 40 years ago didn't have to count on their fingers or rely on a machine when it came to giving change.
RestlessSoul
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How much mental arithmetic do any of us do these days? Older people generally have a good grounding, but tools get rusty if remaining unused. I do think it's a shame to lose any skill, worse never to develop them. I learned fractions from betting on racehorses, but now I rarely bet and when I do, I use betting exchanges where odds are decimalised.
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A tape measure is simple math/fractions. Many kids are lost at even reading a tape measure.
They used to use rulers in school(could be similar to a tape measure) but not so much any more.
I have noted that we have more coins.
Two cents and twenty cents but we don't have the quarter.
Two cents and twenty cents but we don't have the quarter.
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Must be in your country. Here in the US we still have the penny, nickle, dime, quarter, half dollar and dollar coins.I have noted that we have more coins.
Two cents and twenty cents but we don't have the quarter.