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Today's youth... What is the problem?

PureX

Veteran Member
Has isolated experiences in an isolated region of a single country within a single cultural hemisphere and judges an entire generation of 2.56 billion people. Not following the logical leap being taken here
But it's good to crap on the young. They deserve it for being so pretty! ;)
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
But it's good to crap on the young. They deserve it for being so pretty! ;)

Eh... Honestly, this has been going on since forever, and it's not just limited to older folks criticizing the young.

I primarily work with older patients in a clinical setting, and some of my co-workers have expressed negative opinions towards older people in general based on their experiences with them at work. What they don't think about, though, is that most of these people are patients experiencing the worst days of their lives in the presence of serious medical issues they are going through, so of course they can act a certain way or be a little grumpy at times. It's easy to judge people when folks don't take the effort to think about the reasons why they could be acting a certain way in any serious depth and instead judge them on a surface level basis en masse.

Sweeping generalizations are easy answers to digest and don't require any mental effort, but they sure aren't accurate. They are easy, though, so a lot of folks prefer them instead
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Another example...

At Lowes Tuesday my bill came to $216.13.
I gave the kid(boy probably early 20's) $221.13.
He says "you gave me too much money and tried to hand me my $1 back. I said ring it up, give $5 change and we are good. He looked puzzled, thought for a minute, rang it up and said "oh you are right".
You still use cash? I wonder how many transactions these days are some sort of card versus actual cash. I can see how cashiers have low experience with cash and change.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Something that hasn't been pointed out yet.

For those of you who have had cashier jobs in retail, did your employer teach you how to count back change to the customer? Was this covered in your job training or orientation?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Today I stopped at a taco bell. My order came to $19.60.
I gave the girl(looked around age 20) $20.10. She pulls out a dollar and some change then counts on her fingers...
She puts it back, counts on her fingers again and pulls out more change..
She puts it back, goes into deep thought so I said "$19.60, I gave you $20.10 so my change is $.50 cents".
She pulls out some more change, counts on her fingers again and gives me $.45 cents. I just laughed and said thanks.

My point... This has happened many times at different places. These are the kids that are being raised now days. They can't think and many don't have common sense. Sadly its getting worse instead of better.
Youth of today? America as a whole has been crap at math for a long time now.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Something that hasn't been pointed out yet.

For those of you who have had cashier jobs in retail, did your employer teach you how to count back change to the customer? Was this covered in your job training or orientation?
It was covered in 3rd grade. It's basic arithmetic. That's not on them to teach it.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Today I stopped at a taco bell. My order came to $19.60.
I gave the girl(looked around age 20) $20.10. She pulls out a dollar and some change then counts on her fingers...
She puts it back, counts on her fingers again and pulls out more change..
She puts it back, goes into deep thought so I said "$19.60, I gave you $20.10 so my change is $.50 cents".
She pulls out some more change, counts on her fingers again and gives me $.45 cents. I just laughed and said thanks.

My point... This has happened many times at different places. These are the kids that are being raised now days. They can't think and many don't have common sense. Sadly its getting worse instead of better.

It's possible that maths skills are getting worse overall, as people are more used to machines providing those answers.
Spelling is certainly worse.
Vocabulary is better, though.

It's worth considering that they are growing up in a different world to the one we did, and it emphasizes different things.
I'm ever ready to crap on the youth for a general lack of resilience, etc, but I'm also aware that there are things they are oh so much better at than my generation was at the same stage of our lives.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
It's possible that maths skills are getting worse overall, as people are more used to machines providing those answers.
Spelling is certainly worse.
Vocabulary is better, though.

It's worth considering that they are growing up in a different world to the one we did, and it emphasizes different things.
I'm ever ready to crap on the youth for a general lack of resilience, etc, but I'm also aware that there are things they are oh so much better at than my generation was at the same stage of our lives.
That is very true. I am astonished by what young people know these days compared to when I was their age. We pick out things like math and geography because they don't need to know those things very often. Truth be told I never much needed them, either, when I was young, ... or now. But they know way more than I did at their age, or do now, culturally. And they not only know how to use social media they understand how it works, and how it can be abused. They are way more savvy about corporate and political propaganda. And it's a good thing, too, because there is way more of both, these days.

Most of those ignoramuses in the U.S. that Trump and the republican party have so thoroughly bamboozled are not young people. They are oldsters that are still living in a fantasy world where their heroes don't lie. And where commerce is about "fair trade", and where the police are there to serve the public. While most young people know that none of this is true, if it ever was. And they may not know a lot about long past history, but they know recent history far, far better than my generation did. Because they have access to it online.

They're better prepared for the world that's coming, I think, than we old farts are. Especially given the fact that we old farts have CAUSED the world that's coming. And not in a good way.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
My point... This has happened many times at different places. These are the kids that are being raised now days. They can't think and many don't have common sense. Sadly its getting worse instead of better.


And I'm betting that when you were a teenager there were adults who dispared at your lack of common sense. It's the same every generation.

What it boils down to is adults don't remember what they were like at that age and have had an extra 20 years or more life experience.

Let them grow up, let them learn from life and in 20 or so years let them denigrate their younger generation
 
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wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The major problem that the young people face is fake news. Fake news is designed to pander to emotional thinking instead of rational thinking. The facts are very one sided or exaggerated to trigger emotion; acceptance or resistance. This causes too many young people to become half brainers. They can recite the talking points of their news niche, but have no clue if this is correct.

The information industries in print, TV, radio, social media, etc., are all about clicks and viewership. They have found if you tell people what they want to hear; biased news, you can carve a piece of the market down the bias of people.

People can make money on the internet, simply getting people to view their content; YouTube, since advertisers will pay for clicks, where there is audience. There is a tendency for intellectual discussion to be superseded by entertainment, which can include fake news and conspiracy theories. The young people are attracted to the entertainment value, which makes them less able to critically think. Critical thinking is more active, while watching videos and listening to con artists or actors is passive.

In my day, what is now called news, used to be called gossip. This was more attractive to women; supermarket taboloids. The men preferred facts like sports scores, weather and verifiable new by real journalists. Today we are in a more feminized time of gossip news, which does not have to be true, to be attractive.

The Left thought feminizing culture, would bring out the material instinct in culture, but instead the gossips came out to play and control the playground. The soul of that type of women is created below. This also explains the attack on religion, in favor of gossip, since religion is about applying a consistent set of ideas to life; active.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
This has been studied:

Who Denigrates Today’s Youth?: The Role of Age, Implicit Theories, and Sharing the Same Negative Trait


Adults perceive the youth of the present as being worse than from when they were young. This phenomenon has been shown to be a product of a memory bias, adults are unable to accurately recall what children were like in the past so they impose their current selves onto their memories. In two studies using American adults (N = 2,764), we seek to connect this finding to age, implicit theories of change, and extend the beliefs in the decline of the youth to new domains. Here we show as people age, they hold harsher beliefs about present children. Those who believe a trait does not change throughout the lifespan exhibit more forgiving attitudes toward the youth of today, believing they may not be in such decline on that trait. Finally, people who are low in a negative trait believe strongly that children are becoming more deficient in that particular trait (e.g., those who are not narcissistic believe the youth are becoming more narcissistic).
If we look to the past clearly this is true but the past is not representative of Now. Outside interactions have been reduced do to technology, whether you limit your kids activities or you don't, they have still been changed from the past. The web has opened the world good and bad to kids and again even if you limit it in your house they still will be exposed in public. Covid confinement has caused many problems for kids that can be seen today, who knows how much they will change in the future. Overall Kids today have been exposed to rapid technology and societal changes and been exposed to a major world changing event.

These technological changes have changed how they have been taught and what is currently being taught and at a rapid speed. Most parents don't even understand these changes. Some things I learned with my kids, Math is no longer the math I was taught, Grammer is no longer taught through high school, cursive is now a foreign language for kids. Ipads are given to kids from middle school through high school in my School district. Kids in my school district are encouraged to use the internet for research.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Youth of today? America as a whole has been crap at math for a long time now.
It precedes this generation.
Long long ago, in a career far far away, I took
real estate broker prep class. Tthe instructor
had to teach some students about fractions.
 
Something that hasn't been pointed out yet.

For those of you who have had cashier jobs in retail, did your employer teach you how to count back change to the customer? Was this covered in your job training or orientation?
I never underwent any orientation, so I don’t know if that was part of the training. But then again, I had started the job when I was in my mid-40s (almost two decades of being a stay-at-home mom made returning to the office-type of job I was accustomed to a bit harder to accomplish), so I guess they figured I didn’t really need it as much, maybe.

However, I did find some websites where one can practice making change. When I first started cashiering, I wanted to make sure I knew how to do that in case the registers went kaput and we had to go retro in that department.

Still, I liken it to singing. When I’m alone, and the pressure’s off, I can sing the way I’m supposed to. The sound comes out fine, etc. But if I had to perform a solo in public, in front of a crowd (as I used to in my churchgoing-days), my throat tightens up, my lung-capacity fizzles down to almost zero, and my voice just isn’t what it could be. Even recording myself doing song-covers, I freeze up a little.

It’s the same for me with math. In private, practicing on one of those change-making websites, it’s actually very relaxing and even enjoyable, like a brain-massage (though I still screwed up on some of the scenarios). But put me at a register in public to do it? Egads, no! :eek::)
 
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