Too Many Extremes in Disbelief

[RestlessSoul]

We know it well enough, for where there are no brains, there are no minds.

And where there is no paint there are no paintings. But a painting is more than just pigment on canvas. It’s a realised concept, an image which means something; perhaps something different to each observer.

 

[Polymath257]

And where there is no paint there are no paintings. But a painting is more than just pigment on canvas. It’s a realised concept, an image which means something; perhaps something different to each observer.

The reality is that there is paint on a canvas. The rest is social or personal. The 'more than' holds simply because we humans value it. For a dog, or a bee, there would be no 'more'.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

We know it well enough, for where there are no brains, there are no minds.

No, not really. Nobody has solved the problems of the evil demon and the thing in itself as some of the limits of epistemology. That is how we have methodlogical naturalism and not philosophical naturalism.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The reality is that there is paint on a canvas. The rest is social or personal. The 'more than' holds simply because we humans value it. For a dog, or a bee, there would be no 'more'.

You are using words, that have no physical objective properties and are not in the real world. That is always how you in effect cheat. You use words, which are not allowed as they have no truth and then you complain when others do that. That is called a double standard.

 

[F1fan]

And where there is no paint there are no paintings. But a painting is more than just pigment on canvas. It’s a realised concept, an image which means something; perhaps something different to each observer.

Paint actually exists. That’s why paintings are real. Brains exist too. And that is why there are minds.

No paint, no paintings. No brain, no minds.

Yes believers often claim the universe has a mind yet can’t explain how this claim is true, and not even plausible.

 

[Ostronomos]

The way theos like to complicate simple
things!
Extreme disbelief is a nonsense idea.

Just TRY to extremely disbelieve Batboy has a
secret moon base- lab. Try!

It's a silly idea and not worth bothering with.

Defend such disbelief? Weird.

Such an argument as this proudly wears logical fallacy on its sleeve. For it amounts to the idea that materialism is the only simple and obvious fact and that which is unseen is "false".

However, the reverse is true. That which is unseen is ultimate reality and that which is seen is illusion or self-simulation BECAUSE it is material.

Again, God IS real BECAUSE He was proven using logic. And it was shown that logic equates to reality.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Paint actually exists. That’s why paintings are real. Brains exist too. And that is why there are minds.

No paint, no paintings. No brain, no minds.

Yes believers often claim the universe has a mind yet can’t explain how this claim is true, and not even plausible.

Well, you are a criticial thinker and skeptic, so you can solve the problems of the evil demon and the thing in itself.

 

[Ostronomos]

People who make up nonsense are boring

Translation: I will dismiss the Reality Self-Simulation Principle in favor of the false proposition that space, time, special relativity and Quantum Mechanics are unreal and only matter is real, resulting in my belief of one materialistic boundless universe of no God and only matter. Now, I will replace the word "illusion" with the word "real" and replace the word "real" with the word "actual". Thus justifying my misunderstanding of the actual reality of God in favor of the false proposition of materialism, which was proven false by the entire scientific and Philosophical community. But I will continue to uphold this false proposition, because this false proposition of materialism is the only way I can make sense of my confusion that materialist illusion equals reality.

P.S. I was once the greatest atheist in human history. Now I'm the greatest theist in human history.

-Nicholas, The Great Genius of Nostradamus Prophecy. ^

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Translation: I will dismiss the Reality Self-Simulation concept in favor of the false proposition that space and time are unreal and only matter is real, resulting in the belief of one materialistic boundless universe of no God and only matter. Now, I will replace the word "illusion" with the word "real" and replace the word "real" with the word "actual". Thus justifying my misunderstanding of the actual reality of God in favor of the false proposition of materialism, which is proven false. But I will continue to uphold this false proposition, because this false proposition of materialism is the only way I can make sense of my confusion that materialist illusion equals reality.

P.S. I was once the greatest atheist in human history. Now I'm the greatest theist in human history.

-Nicholas, The Great Genius of Nostradamus Prophecy. ^

I do hope that you cope well enoigh in the everyday world.

 

[Zwing]

it amounts to the idea that materialism is the only simple and obvious fact and that which is unseen is "false".

No not false…unmanifest, unproven, or undemonstrated, until it manifests, is proven or is demonstrated. Again, and for the twentieth time, I don’t claim that “there is no God”, I claim that I don’t believe in any god for the utter lack of evidence. I only grace those objects with my belief for which I have evidence, for very good reasons. If you want to believe in every old thing that someone tells you about, then more power to you. I fully support your right to engage in stinkin’ thinkin’.

 

[Ostronomos]

I do hope that you cope well enoigh in the everyday world.

Thank you for the encouraging words.

 

[Zwing]

God IS real BECAUSE He was proven using logic.

Please, render the argument…

 

[Ostronomos]

No not false…unmanifest, unproven, or undemonstrated, until it manifests, is proven or is demonstrated. Again, and for the twentieth time, I don’t claim that “there is no God”, I claim that I don’t believe in any god for the utter lack of evidence. I only grace those objects with my belief for which I have evidence, for very good reasons. If you want to believe in every old thing that someone tells you about, then more power to you.

Then you are falling short of logic at its finest. That may inspire your confidence, but I have the logic readily available. Please reread my post above entitled Translation

 

[Ostronomos]

Please, render the argument…

For starters, see my post above entitled Translation

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No not false…unmanifest, unproven, or undemonstrated, until it manifests, is proven or is demonstrated. Again, and for the twentieth time, I don’t claim that “there is no God”, I claim that I don’t believe in any god for the utter lack of evidence. I only grace those objects with my belief for which I have evidence, for very good reasons. If you want to believe in every old thing that someone tells you about, then more power to you.

What is your evidence for the word good? How do you observe that as per the 5 external senses?

 

[Zwing]

For starters, see my post above entitled Translation

Please, what is the number of the post, there are now four hundred…

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Please, what is the number of the post, there are now four hundred…

388

 

[Zwing]

What is your evidence for the word good?

Only relational objects require evidence. Objects are grammatically represented by nouns. “Good”, being an adjective as I used the word, then requires no evidence.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Only relational objects require evidence. Objects are grammatically represented by nouns. “Good”, being an adjective as I used the word, then requires no evidence.

Yeah, that is your subjective norm given without evidence.

 

[dybmh]

In a sense, yes. Though it’s my perception that there are profound, perhaps ineffable truths buried in the myth. And that in any case, some truths can only ever be approached obliquely.

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