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ecco

Veteran Member
It has been claimed that Russian trolls floated the conspiracy theory that Epstein was murdered, who do you think might have an interest in spreading that conspiracy theory?

Another conspiracy theory to brew....

From the moment I heard he hanged himself, I did not believe it. The 60 Minutes investigation also strongly indicates that it was not suicide.

There were a lot of wealthy men involved with Epstein. Men whose reputations would be ruined with the public showing of photos. Look at what happened to Prince Andrew for a picture of him just standing, fully clothed, next to an Epstein "girl".

Why do you believe Epstein hanged himself? How do you explain the absence of guards for four hours?




ETA: This is really well off topic and if you care to ignore this divergence - OK.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Yet many governments still do it in the open or behind closed doors.
What's your point?
There is still slavery in many countries, so we should allow slavery in the US?
There are still horrendous working conditions in many countries, so we should accept horrendous working conditions for American workers?

Is that your justification and rationale?
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
From the moment I heard he hanged himself, I did not believe it. The 60 Minutes investigation also strongly indicates that it was not suicide.

There were a lot of wealthy men involved with Epstein. Men whose reputations would be ruined with the public showing of photos. Look at what happened to Prince Andrew for a picture of him just standing, fully clothed, next to an Epstein "girl".

Why do you believe Epstein hanged himself? How do you explain the absence of guards for four hours?




ETA: This is really well off topic and if you care to ignore this divergence - OK.

It has still been claimed that Russian trolls spread the conspiracy theory that Epstein was murdered to cause divisiveness and distrust of our institutions to weaken our democracy, do you find that a bit odd?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It's obvious to you, but I don't know what you are, and apparently you don't want to tell us. You say you are in Iran. I am surprised at how easily you are allowed to communicate with Westerners.



My emphases...
Virgins? What virgins?

What of the rewards in paradise? The Islamic paradise is described in great sensual detail in the Koran and the Traditions; for instance, Koran sura 56 verses 12 -40 ; sura 55 verses 54-56 ; sura 76 verses 12-22. I shall quote the celebrated Penguin translation by NJ Dawood of sura 56 verses 12- 39: "They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine (that will neither pain their heads nor take away their reason); with fruits of their own choice and flesh of fowls that they relish. And theirs shall be the dark-eyed houris, chaste as hidden pearls: a guerdon for their deeds... We created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand..."

One should note that most translations, even those by Muslims themselves such as A Yusuf Ali, and the British Muslim Marmaduke Pickthall, translate the Arabic (plural) word Abkarun as virgins, as do well-known lexicons such the one by John Penrice. I emphasise this fact since many pudic and embarrassed Muslims claim there has been a mistranslation, that "virgins" should be replaced by "angels". In sura 55 verses 72-74, Dawood translates the Arabic word " hur " as "virgins", and the context makes clear that virgin is the appropriate translation: "Dark-eyed virgins sheltered in their tents (which of your Lord's blessings would you deny?) whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before." The word hur occurs four times in the Koran and is usually translated as a "maiden with dark eyes".

Two points need to be noted. First, there is no mention anywhere in the Koran of the actual number of virgins available in paradise, and second, the dark-eyed damsels are available for all Muslims, not just martyrs. It is in the Islamic Traditions that we find the 72 virgins in heaven specified: in a Hadith (Islamic Tradition) collected by Al-Tirmidhi (died 892 CE [common era*]) in the Book of Sunan (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah [Prophet Muhammad], chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise, (Hadith 2687). The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir (died 1373 CE ) in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman (55), verse 72: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'."

What are those immortal youths referring to? Young boys? What services do these young boys provide to the martyrs? It all sounds very gay.

I guess you pick and choose what to believe and what to dismiss.
You're trying to make the thread about your view of Islam?
Give it a rest. Try staying on topic.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
You say you are in Iran. I am surprised at how easily you are allowed to communicate with Westerners.
Perhaps the problem is that your understanding of Iran is less than excellent?

I'm no expert either. But I'm commonly appalled by what American people think that they know about Middle Eastern countries, and our history there.
Tom
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Yep. You sure do. Who gives a **** about human rights anyway?
I guess you must be proud.
Yeah, they will grow up into strong, hardy men and women. It is the fault of their parents. If they go to school, they will get books, dress, one time food free of any cost. Education for poor people is completely free in school, college and graduate levels. Actually not sending children to school is a crime in the books, the problem is that we have a population of some 1350 million people. The children do not get any money for helping their parents. They are doing it because they are there. There are many people who have risen from the poorest strata of the society to highest positions.

"The Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Act or Right to Education Act (RTE) is an Act of the Parliament of India enacted on 4 August 2009, which describes the modalities of the importance of free and compulsory education for children between the age of 6 to 14 years in India under Article 21A of the Indian Constitution. India became one of 135 countries to make education a fundamental right of every child when the act came into force on 1 April 2010."
Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Act, 2009 - Wikipedia
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
From the moment I heard he hanged himself, I did not believe it. The 60 Minutes investigation also strongly indicates that it was not suicide.

There were a lot of wealthy men involved with Epstein. Men whose reputations would be ruined with the public showing of photos. Look at what happened to Prince Andrew for a picture of him just standing, fully clothed, next to an Epstein "girl".

Why do you believe Epstein hanged himself? How do you explain the absence of guards for four hours?

ETA: This is really well off topic and if you care to ignore this divergence - OK.

The official investigation concluded Epstein hung himself

The official investigation into the murder of Seth Rich is that he was killed in a robbery gone wrong.

If you doubt the official story in the Epstein case could you not doubt the official story in the Seth Rich case?
why or why not
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
All things which occur affect evaluation.
It's why when people ask me about Trump's
record, my answers typically suffix "so far".
You agree it should be so?
Ummmm........ Do we need to see any further?
I don't think the world needs to see any more.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
This is what the Germans think ...

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Forced to pick which of two countries to live out the rest of their lives, I wonder what percentage of those Germans would chose Iran in preference to a Donald Trump led USA.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
What the **** does this have to do with starting a war on Iran? I was responding to another poster's attempt to portray Iran as an enlightened nation.
It's about the thread........ And the other member obviously feels that for a gung-ho superpower to kill who it fancies, when it fancies, how it fancies, where it fancies, with no warnings to its own expat citizens and clearly threatening to escalate to something much worse....... is not enlightened, certainly not enlightened

And dress codes and fashions are fairly pushy in any country. Where I live even kids are frightened to go to school if they cannot keep up with the current kids fashions. Etched
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Forced to choose where to live out the rest of their lives, I wonder what percentage of those Germans would chose Iran in preference to a Donald Trump led USA.
Well, the Germans have made some dubious choices in the past.
But I agree about Trump being dangerous.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Forced to choose where to live out the rest of their lives, I wonder what percentage of those Germans would chose Iran in preference to a Donald Trump led USA.
Ah, but Trump will be gone, either in a few months or four years.
Equally, the youth of Iran are moving things, inch by inch, towards a more free Iran.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Forced to pick which of two countries to live out the rest of their lives, I wonder what percentage of those Germans would chose Iran in preference to a Donald Trump led USA.
That's really not the point, is it?

Can you say "deflection"? Sure you can.....
Tom
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
It is as far I am concerned and I know which I would choose without hesitation.

Those Germans would make the same choice.
So, you really think that German people's opinions about which world leader is the most likely to cause a disastrous war is the same as where they'd choose to live if the world were completely different?

No wonder you're a Trump supporter.
Tom
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
One thing I clearly know, I was not religiously indoctrinated/brainwashed from infancy throughout childhood and adolescence.


There are some people who consider a few hours of biology in high school to be brainwashing into believing in evolution.
There are some people who consider watching documentaries about nature to be brainwashing into believing in evolution.

Perhaps you can give some examples of the type and "amount of indoctrination recieve".
Brainwashing is something of a loaded term, but the American national cult is what I'm talking about. The myths of your founding and founding fathers are practically religious.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
So, you really think that German people's opinions about which world leader is the most likely to cause a disastrous war is the same as where they'd choose to live if the world were completely different?

No wonder you're a Trump supporter.
Tom

I am a Trump supporter and I am glad that he is the leader of the free world.

Western leaders are easy targets for those that are quick to criticise.

It is not so easy to criticise Islamic leaders and live to tell the tale.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I am a Trump supporter and I am glad that he is the leader of the free world.

Western leaders are easy targets for those that are quick to criticise.

It is not so easy to criticise Islamic leaders and live to tell the tale.
So, let's go back to the subject.
Why do you think that the German people consider Trump, far and away, the biggest threat to world peace?
Tom
 
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