Top Iranian General Killed in Airstrike

[mojtaba]

Tyranny of the majority.

And there are now tyrany of American and western cultures upon other cultures.

 

[Shad]

And there are now tyrany of American and western cultures upon other cultures.

Nope. Iraq didn't suddenly shift to a Western culture at all. Try again.

 

[mojtaba]

Nope. Iraq didn't suddenly shift to a Western culture at all. Try again.

I do not know what do you mean.

What I meant is this that American and western governments obligate countries such as Iran to obey their cultures such as their view about Hijab, etc.

They also have persian TV programs and attack to our culture and encourage Iranian women to obey their culture. I believe this is a kind of cultural terorrism.

 

[Shad]

I do not know what do you mean.

You asserted tyranny of culture yet Iraqi culture never changed to a Western one nor is any current Western conflict in the ME about a cultural conflict.

What I meant is this that American and western governments obligate countries such as Iran to obey their cultures such as their view about Hijab, etc.

No it doesn't

They also have persion TV programs and attack to our culture and encourage Iranian women to obey their culture. I believe this is a kind of cultural terorrism.

Babble and fiction. I am guessing you have never been to a Western nations thus are completely unaware that people can wear a head covering if they wish and that choice is protected by law. Unlike Iran which forces people to wear a specific piece of clothing in public by law.

 

[mojtaba]

Yes. It does. They obligate us to follow American and western cultures by making their human rights.

As I said, they also prepare persian TV programs in which they use psychological tools to indirectly detach us from our culture. They make fun of our culture. I didn't mean they encourage us to follow their culture by reason.

 

[Shad]

Yes. It does. They obligate us to follow American and western cultures by making their human rights.

Empty claim. Look up the word obligate.

As I said, they also prepare persian TV programs in which they use psychological tools to indirectly detach us from our culture. They make fun of our culture. I didn't mean they encourage us to follow their culture by reason.

Empty claim.

Do you know what comedy is? Do you realize comedy is not state sanctioned in the West? You know comedians make jokes about their own culture too right? Like I said I do not think you have ever been to a Western nation. You are spouting propaganda. That is called freedom of speech, the ability to talk about a subject even if considered taboo. Look it up.

Now provide evidence for your empty claims

 

[ecco]

And I gave an example of the U.S. not following international law decades ago, the Castro thing is a well known fact.

Following "the Castro Thing" :

Executive Order 11905 is a United States Presidential Executive Order signed on February 18, 1976, by President Gerald R. Ford as an attempt to reform the United States Intelligence Community, improve oversight on foreign intelligence activities, and ban political assassination.[1][2][3] Much of this EO would be changed or strengthened by Jimmy Carter's Executive Order 12036 in 1978.
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Let's see if you still think political assassinations are a good thing six months from now.

You do realize that if Trump and Pence are simultaneously assassinated, Pelosi is POTUS. I'm sure the Iranians are aware of that too.

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[ecco]

Are you really going to compare the religious and political brainwashing that takes place in places like Iran with what happens in this country?

Are you arguing that we shouldn't admit to domestic
propaganda which can mislead us?

What part of my comment led you to think I was arguing that we shouldn't admit to domestic propaganda which can mislead us?

 

[ecco]

Hadiths are not ours. They are from Sunni books.

How am I supposed to know your specific sect?
You list your religion as Islamic. As far as I know, the Hadiths are part of the Islamic religion.

In addition, Quran does not say,

Yes, the Quran does say. Do you deny these are from the Quran?

The Quran, chapter 3 (Al Imran), verse 169–170:[7]

Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah.

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 111:[8]

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):

The Quran, chapter 22 (Al-Hajj), verse 58–59:[9]

Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision. Verily He will admit them to a place with which they shall be well pleased:​

When I say you are brainwashed, you become angry.

What makes you think I am angry at anything you said?

 

[ecco]

In Iran women can dress whatever they want. Only they should cover their hairs when there are non-family men. Women can talk with everyone in Iran. They can go everywhere in Iran.

Again, when I say people like you are brainwashed, you become angry.

1. In Iran women can dress whatever they want.
2. Only they should cover their hairs when there are non-family men.

I guess you don't understand the concept of a contradiction.




Again, what makes you think I am angry?

 

[ecco]

Yes, there seems to be a large segment of the younger Iranian population who have had enough of the Ayatollahs.

Some even very briefly celebrated the General's assassination.

 

[ecco]

I do not talk without evidence. According to undependent studies, about 90% of Iranian women believe in Hijab.

Perhaps only 10% of women had the courage to say they hated them.

Of those women who truly want to wear the Hijab and be subservient to men, it is because they have been brainwashed to believe that is what their god wants.

In this country, some Christian women also believe they should be subservient to men because they have been brainwashed.

 

[Stanyon]

Following "the Castro Thing" :

Executive Order 11905 is a United States Presidential Executive Order signed on February 18, 1976, by President Gerald R. Ford as an attempt to reform the United States Intelligence Community, improve oversight on foreign intelligence activities, and ban political assassination.[1][2][3] Much of this EO would be changed or strengthened by Jimmy Carter's Executive Order 12036 in 1978.​

And?

They did something similar with the F.B.I after their powers were expanded to fight the Ku Klux Klan, it was seen as a need to limit the powers to curb abuse yet it still happened-It's a piece of paper

Not to mention most governments around the worlds meddlings and dirty deeds.

Let's see if you still think political assassinations are a good thing six months from now.

You do realize that if Trump and Pence are simultaneously assassinated, Pelosi is POTUS. I'm sure the Iranians are aware of that too.

Never said it was a good thing, but It's not a bad thing either, sometimes seen as necessary or useful? - yes. Once again you seem to be injecting your own sense of morality as if the world is filled with good guys in white hats and bad guys in black hats. while that simplistic view may help you sleep at night, it just isn't reality.

As for Trump possibly being assassinated by Iranians I'd say that's just pretty much fantasy land on your part, if he was ever assassinated it would most likely be from a domestic source with no vast foreign conspiracy needed, just some deranged angry anti-Trumpster

 

[mojtaba]

Empty claim



Empty claim.

Do you know what comedy is? Do you realize comedy is not state sanctioned in the West? You know comedians make jokes about their own culture too right? Like I said I do not think you have ever been to a Western nation. You are spouting propaganda. That is called freedom of speech, the ability to talk about a subject even if considered taboo. Look it up.

Now provide evidence for your empty claims

Trump Is Continuing Obama's Opposition to Other Countries' Anti-Gay Laws. This, Somehow, Has LGBT Leaders Angry
Yesterday, NBC News reported that the administration, pushed by U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell (who is openly gay), was "planning to launch a worldwide effort to end the criminalization of homosexuality worldwide." There are 70 countries that still have laws on the book that treat homosexual behavior as a crime, and some countries have extremely harsh penalties. This announcement is widely being seen as an attempt to challenge and target Iran and potentially get international support for sanctions.


They do not use comedians. They mock our culture. As I said, they also use psychological tools to seprate us from our culture. They use these tools for oridinary and unawar people. They indirectly force Iranian people to ignore their own culture and follow their culture. Yes, this is a cultural terrorism.

 

[ecco]

Once again you seem to be injecting your own sense of morality

Being against assassinations goes far beyond my sense of morality.

 

[Revoltingest]

In Iran, those wemon who have scarf, yet they put their hairs out would not be prosecuated. In Tehran, there are many women who doesnt have a complete Hijab.

Good to hear.

 

[Shad]

Trump Is Continuing Obama's Opposition to Other Countries' Anti-Gay Laws. This, Somehow, Has LGBT Leaders Angry


Yesterday, NBC News reported that the administration, pushed by U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell (who is openly gay), was "planning to launch a worldwide effort to end the criminalization of homosexuality worldwide." There are 70 countries that still have laws on the book that treat homosexual behavior as a crime, and some countries have extremely harsh penalties. This announcement is widely being seen as an attempt to challenge and target Iran and potentially get international support for sanctions.

That is not an obligation as you claimed nor imposing a culture. Look up what being an advocate is. Refusing to trade with someone is not a cultural imposition. It is refusing to trade with Iran because of how Iran acts. Ergo disagreement not imposing. Try again and get a dictionary.

They do not use comedians. They mock our culture.

Comedy isn't something only comedians do.

As I said, they also use psychological tools to seprate us from our culture. They use these tools for oridinary and unawar people.

Evidence?

The indirectly force Iranian people to ignor their own culture and follow their culture. Yes, this is a cultural terrorism.

Evidence?

 

[ecco]

As for Trump possibly being assassinated by Iranians I'd say that's just pretty much fantasy land on your part, if he was ever assassinated it would most likely be from a domestic source with no vast foreign conspiracy needed, just some deranged angry anti-Trumpster

To the victim, it really doesn't matter who does the assassinating, does it? And, as you said:

but It's not a bad thing either, sometimes seen as necessary or useful

 

[Revoltingest]

What part of my comment led you to think I was arguing that we shouldn't admit to domestic propaganda which can mislead us?

I asked a question.
Your answer would lead me.

 

[mojtaba]

How am I supposed to know your specific sect?
You list your religion as Islamic. As far as I know, the Hadiths are part of the Islamic religion.

It is obvious that Iranian are Shia, and not Sunni.

Yes, the Quran does say. Do you deny these are from the Quran?

The Quran, chapter 3 (Al Imran), verse 169–170:[7]

Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah.

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 111:[8]

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):

The Quran, chapter 22 (Al-Hajj), verse 58–59:[9]

Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision. Verily He will admit them to a place with which they shall be well pleased:​

You said, "Do you think he (i.e., Soleymani) is now up in Muslim heaven with 7 (or 72 ) virgins and young boys to attend to his needs?"
What vesre says this?