Top Muslim Clerics in Canada Issue Fatwa Denouncing Terrorism

[England my lionheart]

then educate yourself ,so that you might not have fears . The shariah was implemented all through the islamic history except for the last century ,and no religious minority ever enjoyed the rights and tolerance as those given by the shariah

you may wish to take a look : The Rights of Non-Muslims in Islam (part 1 of 13): An Islamic Basis - The Religion of Islam



you said that the final aim of the so called ' political islam ' is to implement the shariah worldwide which is nonsense...because the majority of muslims believe that Islam has everything to do with politics and still don't want to implement the shariah worldwide

You don't have to be a secuarist , and love to live in a *jahili socity * so as not to want to implement the shariah in a non muslim scoiety

I'll let Qutb answer for me Maro seeing as his is the path of the MB,once you have read it let me know what you think it means:Milestones

If through `preaching` beliefs and ideas are confronted, through `the movement` material obstacles are tackled. Foremost among these [material obstacles] is that political power which rests on a complex yet interrelated ideological, racial, class, social and economic support ... For the achievement of the freedom of man on earth -- of all mankind throughout the earth -- it is necessary that these two methods should work side by side. This is a very important point and cannot be overemphasized. [p.59]


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[Sahar]

No i did'nt but Qutbs path includes violence,its like the Nazi party coming to power in Germany again and saying we love the Jewish people and Mein Campf has been misunderstood,mind you Badee does say Qutb has been misunderstood and in reality Qutb just wanted to give the world a big Islamist hug .

BS. You're a hopeless case, seriously. I just can't imagine how I expected there is any kind of possibility for intelligent or honest posts coming from you regarding this issue and Islam in general.

 

[kai]

No ,it's not the goal of muslims to spread Islam or implement the shariah.....It's the duty of muslims to let everyone know about Islam....to clear the fog covering it.....wether they accept it or not....implement the shariah or not....it's none of our business .

yes , i would like everyone to become a muslim because i believe my religion is the final divine revealation to humanity....however ,i have nothing to do but ' Al dawah'...to let people know ...that's it

Is there a difference in the goal to spread Islam and a duty to let everyone know about Islam, isn't that just word play? seriously i dont have a problem with people trying to spread their religion by the word. Surely its only right to wish that the whole world was united in the one true religion if you believe its truly the final divine revelation.

 

[Sajdah]

Exactly
if we have a problem with 'denouncing'....thay have a problem with ' acknowledging' the facts

I guess their problem is more serious than ours !!

I don't think that we have a huge problem with "denouncing"....Almost all the well-known scholars denounced it, and clarified that such acts is not related to Islam. I believe that the first thing which would come in the mind of a Muslim while talking to any westerner is that "Islam has nothing to do with terrorism" as if terrorism is coined for Muslims, and we have to apologize in every single occasion for them. At the same time, they are slaughtering thousands of innocents, and they are not brave enough to take the responsibility of what they did, but claiming that Muslims are responsible for the deaths of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine too!!!!

Really their problem is very serious!

 

[England my lionheart]

BS. You're a hopeless case, seriously. I just can't imagine how I expected there is any kind of possibility for intelligent or honest posts coming from you regarding this issue and Islam in general.

Thats interesting not4me as it seems from your posts that your knowledge of your own country and the Muslim Brotherhood is quite limited.

Quote not4me

If you want to know about their principles, you may want to read the martyr imam Hassan Al Banna's writings. Milestones, Mr Spinkles, doesn't represent the concepts of the Muslim Brotherhood. Sayyed Qutb went to the approach of clash and takfir of the Muslim society unlike Hassan Al Banna and his group.

And to quote Badee "We will continue on Qutbs path of reforms" just incase you did'nt know the MB do have there own website,i'll send you the link if you wish.

 

[Smoke]

then educate yourself ,so that you might not have fears . The shariah was implemented all through the islamic history except for the last century ,and no religious minority ever enjoyed the rights and tolerance as those given by the shariah

you may wish to take a look : The Rights of Non-Muslims in Islam (part 1 of 13): An Islamic Basis - The Religion of Islam

And after that, do you have any Republican literature on the liberation of Iraq and how beneficial it's been to the Iraqi people?

 

[Smoke]

Rather than telling us the way it is supposed to be in the perfect and mythical Islamic society, Maro, you could provide us with endless glowing accounts of people living under Muslim rule and what they thought of their Muslim overlords. Hearing about it from the Muslim perspective is not terribly helpful.

 

[maro]

Thanks for the books , Smoke....you may wish to investigate the other opinion before making your final judgment

When Omar Ibnul-Khattab entered Jerusalem, he expressed great tolerance towards its people in terms of religion, money and their habits, and did not impose only low-pay tribute to them. The Arabs showed such tolerance with the people of all other Syrian cities, and soon these inhabitants accepted the rule of the Arabs, and most of them embraced Islam instead of Christianity, and did learn Arabic.“

Far from imitating the wild behavior of the first crusaders massacring in turn all the Christians, Saladin merely imposed a small tax on them and prohibited any plundering.“

In addition to their great tolerance, the Arabs of Spain had very chivalrous manners. These are laws of the knighthood: to treat the weak with mercy and kindness, to respect their word, to have…etc, that the Christian nations adopted their…"

by Gustave Le Bon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
in his book : http://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Civilization-Gustave-Translator-Macrae/dp/B000OKIH3I

 

[maro]

Is there a difference in the goal to spread Islam and a duty to let everyone know about Islam, isn't that just word play?

No ,i don't think it's.....I meant that Al dawah itself is our duty and concern , not its results....people may never accept Islam...but we still have to invite and call them because this is what we're gonna be asked about in the judgment day

Wether they accept or not...wether it spreads or not....it's none of our business and we 're not gonna be asked about it

seriously i dont have a problem with people trying to spread their religion by the word. Surely its only right to wish that the whole world was united in the one true religion if you believe its truly the final divine revelation.

This is exactly the islamic stance...using the ' word '

" So remind, [O Muúammad]; you are only a reminder . You are not over them a controller. " [88:21-22]

 

[kai]

No ,i don't think it's.....I meant that Al dawah itself is our duty and concern , not its results....people may never accept Islam...but we still have to invite and call them because this is what we're gonna be asked about in the judgment day

Wether they accept or not...wether it spreads or not....it's none of our business and we 're not gonna be asked about it

This is exactly the islamic stance...using the ' word '

" So remind, [O Muúammad]; you are only a reminder . You are not over them a controller. " [88:21-22]

OK thanks

 

[kai]

Thanks for the books , Smoke....you may wish to investigate the other opinion before making your final judgment



by Gustave Le Bon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
in his book : http://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Civilization-Gustave-Translator-Macrae/dp/B000OKIH3I

Just one point here: Omar did lay siege to Jerusalem for 2 years before they surrendered.

 

[Sahar]

Just one point here: Omar did lay siege to Jerusalem for 2 years before they surrendered.

Two years?!! :sarcastic :sarcastic
It was 4 months or so.

 

[kai]

Two years?!! :sarcastic :sarcastic
It was 4 months or so.

i beleive Abu Ubaidah was besieging the city the patriarch would only surrender to Umar so Umar came and the city surrendered the following year. There are varying quotes for the length of the siege ranging from 4 months to 2 years depending on when the siege actually began as the area around jerusalem gradually fell to the Rashidun Army.:sarcastic:sarcastic:sarcastic:sarcastic