Top Seven Reasons God Exist.

[Unveiled Artist]

What you identify as God. How do you support your claim that "God is life"?

Its a label. Like "Carlita" is for a human being, who likes writing, and rollar skating whose a daughter to her father carl.
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God is commonly used for someone or something we place higher than ourselves. To me, living fully and naturally is participating in this life or life. I place this paricipation with my mind, purpose, action in gratitude.

Gratitude is a other word that defines what people give god (regardless the def.). It is a part of us, when we are respected in its primital sense, to have a feeling of thank you even if its just eye droping. This gratitude is part of life and some of us call the "act" of gratitude the hands of God.

God is also seen as a friend and/or authority. As a "concept" not a person, we can see that in how we interact with each other. What our prioroties are. Not thinking of social cruptness here. We can see this in how people fight and die for their country. Many people have a good connection with the earth (literally not metaphysical or new age) and its a part of their spiritual life. That interconnection in "life" or God.

What I am doing is taking out the word God and just going by how God means to others: gratitude, wisdom, love, caring, etc and calling it and more life.

Since people dont call it life, some call it God; hence God is life.

I have seven proofs that life exists. What you call God is a name with a lot of cultural and supernatual baggage to define these simple things (the seven proofs)

If people pass the semantics, and read the full posts in any of these forums by any person, they may have a better understanding of the point even if they dont understand the fluffing that makes up thd point.

 

[leibowde84]

Its a label. Like "Carlita" is for a human being, who likes writing, and rollar skating whose a daughter to her father carl.
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God is commonly used for someone or something we place higher than ourselves. To me, living fully and naturally is participating in this life or life. I place this paricipation with my mind, purpose, action in gratitude.

Gratitude is a other word that defines what people give god (regardless the def.). It is a part of us, when we are respected in its primital sense, to have a feeling of thank you even if its just eye droping. This gratitude is part of life and some of us call the "act" of gratitude the hands of God.

God is also seen as a friend and/or authority. As a "concept" not a person, we can see that in how we interact with each other. What our prioroties are. Not thinking of social cruptness here. We can see this in how people fight and die for their country. Many people have a good connection with the earth (literally not metaphysical or new age) and its a part of their spiritual life. That interconnection in "life" or God.

What I am doing is taking out the word God and just going by how God means to others: gratitude, wisdom, love, caring, etc and calling it and more life.

Since people dont call it life, some call it God; hence God is life.

I have seven proofs that life exists. What you call God is a name with a lot of cultural and supernatual baggage to define these simple things (the seven proofs)

If people pass the semantics, and read the full posts in any of these forums by any person, they may have a better understanding of the point even if they dont understand the fluffing that makes up thd point.

"God" is not a name like you claim. "God" is a concept. This is why there must be sufficient support for assigning it to anything. It cannot be a purely arbitrary thing. You are free to associate it with whatever you wish, but if you are going to equate it with things we know to exist in reality, there must be sufficient reasoning to do so, or else you aren't talking about God, you are merely talking about a subjective concept that you happened to call "god". Your use of the capitalized "God" has certain connotations as well.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

you are merely talking about a subjective concept that you happened to call "god". Your use of the capitalized "God" has certain connotations as well.

Yes. Exactly.

Also, I have ways cap God all my life. Its out of respect for All people of all faiths that believe in God. I do the same for Allah as well and so forth.

I forgot you are christian. I didnt read the religion title. Then again, I dont like judging people on labels.

God is not a fixed term. It means different things to different people. Call my faith Seahwja, it would not matter. I would never attribute my faith to Jehovah, for example.

Also, those commonities each faith have may not call it God but that is a word I am accustomed to when talking about spirituality.

Spirituality has no name. No title. No label.

Attribution is just that, attribution. Its not changing the meaning of how you would define God compared to a panthenthiest next to me and a Hindu across from me.

So if I say God is life, I am putting life--all life---above anything I cherish. Im puting living and the gratitude thereof before my humanistic (primal) influence to do things contradicting my true nature.

Some of us attribute this practice and gratituse to being or obtaining the Wisdom of the Buddha. Some attribute it from their cultures and families. Some to God only. God is a multifacted word especially in the US.

Like marriage and other words, it isnt owned by one set of people. We are (edit:not) redefining words. Each person approaches spirituality differently and "expresses it" differently as well.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

1. God exists because you exist.

Lamas exist because you exist.
Both of the above statements are equally true

2. God exists because without "Him" (using a pronoun for convenience not for a specific God), you would literally be brain-dead.

Why do you assume this?

3. God exists because of design and pattern in the universe.

Why do you assume this? Is god a pattern?

4. God exists because we all want a sense of purpose in life.

If I really really really really really really really raelly really really wanted a smoking hot perfect woman would I get one? Or what if I really really really really really really really wanted to win the lotto?

5. God exist because He is our inner wisdom.

Now we are getting somewhere. God is the an abstract concept that has arisen from our own minds? This i can accept. You probably can't.

6. God exists because the Creator.

Bob the builder exists because he is the creator.

7. God exists because He is a concept or idea, a word to describe the simplicity of life (most of what I described above)

If god exists no no supernatural way except an abstract concept with no implications on the real world then I can agree.

 

[leibowde84]

Yes. Exactly.

Also, I have ways cap God all my life. Its out of respect for All people of all faiths that believe in God. I do the same for Allah as well and so forth.

I forgot you are christian. I didnt read the religion title. Then again, I dont like judging people on labels.

God is not a fixed term. It means different things to different people. Call my faith Seahwja, it would not matter. I would never attribute my faith to Jehovah, for example.

Also, those commonities each faith have may not call it God but that is a word I am accustomed to when talking about spirituality.

Spirituality has no name. No title. No label.

Attribution is just that, attribution. Its not changing the meaning of how you would define God compared to a panthenthiest next to me and a Hindu across from me.

So if I say God is life, I am putting life--all life---above anything I cherish. Im puting living and the gratitude thereof before my humanistic (primal) influence to do things contradicting my true nature.

Some of us attribute this practice and gratituse to being or obtaining the Wisdom of the Buddha. Some attribute it from their cultures and families. Some to God only. God is a multifacted word especially in the US.

Like marriage and other words, it isnt owned by one set of people. We are redefining words. Each person approaches spirituality differently and "expresses it" differently as well.

Then, I would suggest, when you make an argument such as this, identify that the proof is only according to your subjective understanding of what God is. For example, "assuming that God is life, God must exist because life exists".

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I said God is: consciousness, energy, being, the all, beyond, nature, environment, who/whatever in my OP because not everyone shares or understands my view and that was Not the point of the OP was to understand how I see things.

It would be nice if I understold your view of Gos when I first asked. Your posts would make mlre sense and I can see why you disagree if I understood your side. My spoiler defines God. For the purppse of this thread not for me.

Thats another annoyance. Assuming what I post have in some way have to do with my personal beliefs. Unless I say so, a lot is from personal experiences and what I have been accustomed to. Not l reflect my faith. Hence why it was not put in. It wasnt for you to learn about me, but to form a connection between mind, action, purpose and see the common (not attributed) threads that makes up what people call God.

There is nothing fancy about it

Then, I would suggest, when you make an argument such as this, identify that the proof is only according to your subjective understanding of what God is. For example, "assuming that God is life, God must exist because life exists".

 

[leibowde84]

I said God is: consciousness, energy, being, the all, beyond, nature, environment, who/whatever in my OP because not everyone shares or understands my view and that was Not the point of the OP was to understand how I see things.

It would be nice if I understold your view of Gos when I first asked. Your posts would make mlre sense and I can see why you disagree if I understood your side. My spoiler defines God. For the purppse of this thread not for me.

Thats another annoyance. Assuming what I post have in some way have to do with my personal beliefs. Unless I say so, a lot is from personal experiences and what I have been accustomed to. Not l reflect my faith. Hence why it was not put in. It wasnt for you to learn about me, but to form a connection between mind, action, purpose and see the common (not attributed) threads that makes up what people call God.

There is nothing fancy about it

God, imho, is an undefinable entity that exists beyond the limits of our physical mind. One day, if in fact we do leave these human bodies, we might be able to, but with our mental limitations, we will never get there. That is why I BELIEVE in God. I know full well that I could be dead wrong. It could certainly be that when we die there is nothing else.

It frustrates me when people try to claim that they can logically prove that God exists by assigning things that they merely think sound right and already do exist to God. We don't know what God is. I have my beliefs, but absolutely know "knowledge". It is impossible to "know" anything about God, just as it is impossible to "know" whether the Bible is partly accurate, perfectly accurate, or merely a bunch of mythical stories.

Finally, it makes me absolutely livid when people use God as a "cop-out". For example, some will say, "how did something come from nothing if there is no God", as if a lack of currently available scientific explanation somehow proves or even strengthens the likeliness that God exists. That is an example of an "argument from ignorance" and is a completely logical fallacy (a.k.a. "load of crap"). It doesn't help to prove anything. And, it spits in the very notion of what Science is; "a method of procedure consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses. Science doesn't jump to conclusions, and rightly so. Theists, by definition, do, as they hold a "belief" in the existence of God without any tangible proof beyond speculation. Nothing wrong with that, but it can't be measured as being nearly as strong as scientific theories.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Spoiler:

God is: Any supernatural being

[force; divine; nature; environment; the all; consciousness; energy; awareness; spirit; mind; Buddha-nature; human-god; human; creator; sun; moon; stars; earth--you get the picture--no exclusions]

worshiped as controlling some part of the world

[or is the word, in the word, above the world, a part from the world, not the world, as a person, as a being, as nature, WHATever or WHOever]

or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force (fill in the blank)

I added other descriptions. Most of this is from Vocabulary.com Not Me.

1. God exists because you exist.

If God is consciousness, you exist because you to have consciousness. Without mind, you can't live.

As such, God is just a label to explain your mind in relation to your survival. Without it, you cannot exist.

To prove minds or consciousness does not exist is to prove that all living beings and things have no energy and motivation (however it is called in animals, etc) to live. Since you do have this instinct, etc. God does exist.

2. God exists because without "Him" (using a pronoun for convenience not for a specific God), you would literally be brain-dead.

As mind, awareness, and energy, He is you and you are Him. Without Him, no survival. The body can't live without God.

3. God exists because of design and pattern in the universe.

Don't panic. Let me explain. God is nature. Nature has a pattern. As we are born, grow, age, and pass on this pattern is the process of God. God lets the ants make a mold hill and corroborate with each other in what they do even though it's repetitive and quote annoying during the summer time. God is the sun that rises, sits, and sets. God is the moon phases from full (happy full moon day!), to quarter, to new and back to quarter, and full again. God is energy=energy makes this happen. Therefore, God exists.

4. God exists because we all want a sense of purpose in life.

Don't panic. Let me explain. Without a purpose, why would doctors want to be doctors? Why would people want to have a family? Why would students want a full education? Why would you want to clean your home? Why would you want to live a healthy life? Why do you want to live? Your body says you do. Your mind says you do. This is biological and psychological. As such, no one escapes this want and some times need to challenge oneself to build a purpose (or insert whatever would you like) in life.

Does it have to be spiritual: No. Does it have to involve the Alpha and the Omega? No. Don't panic. Why do you want to live? That purpose IS God.

5. God exist because He is our inner wisdom.

He is the "light-bulb" that goes off in our head when we have a great idea. He is the poet's fever to write words (as I am doing now, I can't help it. High fever, apparently) in beautiful pose. He is what some of us call coincidences. He is the synchronicity in life. There need not be anything supernatural in all this. Where would you be without having new ideas? Where would you be if you didn't fulfill the passion you have? Where would you be without the psychology of bringing new things or thinking about the old? All of what I just said and more IS God. Without it, we would be bodies and minds--machines without a motor.

6. God exists because He is the Creator.

Don't panic. Everyone has a different view of what the Creator entails: Myself included.

Creator, to me, is not someone who brings something into nothing. That's magic. There is no magic. Creator creates things from what is already here. We create buildings. We create books by writing them. We are creators of our inventions. We create. So, behind all of the world's atoms and such, the Creator is the energy or physics that make one force (say water) come together with another force (say land). The Creator creates mountains. He creates the valleys. He makes the winds into hurricanes.

What is already here is put together by energy (or whatever the physic's word is) to create one thing into another. Sperm and egg creates a child. Rotten food can bring maggots. So forth.

One does not need to create something from nothing to be a Creator.

7. God exists because He is a concept or idea, a word to describe the simplicity of life (most of what I described above)

As a concept, God can shift into a force, a being, a Alpha, Odin, or any other being, force, (fill in the blank), that can exist.

We don't need to worship it for it to be God. It does not have to be supernatural to be God. It doesn't have to have spiritual terminology to be God. For example, we say we make "gods" out of money. We make "gods" out of our family. Why? Because way put these at more importance than ourselves.

THAT is God. What or who we put as an importance over ourselves regardless of who or what it is. Do you value something more than yourself? Do you value your family? Your friends? Loved ones? If you think of others more than yourself, you experienced God. Thereby, God exists.

While this is long and will be cherry-picked, my point is pretty simple. God exists.

"He" (for convenience not for a specific religion) exists because:

If you'd like to have a good discussion about a couple of these reasons, that would be cool. This is not a Monotheist, Polytheist, Pantheist, Panenthiest, Deist, Left-hand Path , atheist, agnostic, folk faiths, druid, and so on focused thread.

I used "God" because it is what word that is commonly used. Please take out the connotations associated with God and refer to how you see "Him" and the definition I gave at the top.

Happy debating.


What is colored answers your questions.

@leibowde84 this answers your questions too. I defined how I see God and common threads in others defin. that all dont reflect my own.

 

[leibowde84]

Spoiler:

God is: Any supernatural being

[force; divine; nature; environment; the all; consciousness; energy; awareness; spirit; mind; Buddha-nature; human-god; human; creator; sun; moon; stars; earth--you get the picture--no exclusions]

worshiped as controlling some part of the world

[or is the word, in the word, above the world, a part from the world, not the world, as a person, as a being, as nature, WHATever or WHOever]

or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force (fill in the blank)

I added other descriptions. Most of this is from Vocabulary.com Not Me.

1. God exists because you exist.

If God is consciousness, you exist because you to have consciousness. Without mind, you can't live.

As such, God is just a label to explain your mind in relation to your survival. Without it, you cannot exist.

To prove minds or consciousness does not exist is to prove that all living beings and things have no energy and motivation (however it is called in animals, etc) to live. Since you do have this instinct, etc. God does exist.

2. God exists because without "Him" (using a pronoun for convenience not for a specific God), you would literally be brain-dead.

As mind, awareness, and energy, He is you and you are Him. Without Him, no survival. The body can't live without God.

3. God exists because of design and pattern in the universe.

Don't panic. Let me explain. God is nature. Nature has a pattern. As we are born, grow, age, and pass on this pattern is the process of God. God lets the ants make a mold hill and corroborate with each other in what they do even though it's repetitive and quote annoying during the summer time. God is the sun that rises, sits, and sets. God is the moon phases from full (happy full moon day!), to quarter, to new and back to quarter, and full again. God is energy=energy makes this happen. Therefore, God exists.

4. God exists because we all want a sense of purpose in life.

Don't panic. Let me explain. Without a purpose, why would doctors want to be doctors? Why would people want to have a family? Why would students want a full education? Why would you want to clean your home? Why would you want to live a healthy life? Why do you want to live? Your body says you do. Your mind says you do. This is biological and psychological. As such, no one escapes this want and some times need to challenge oneself to build a purpose (or insert whatever would you like) in life.

Does it have to be spiritual: No. Does it have to involve the Alpha and the Omega? No. Don't panic. Why do you want to live? That purpose IS God.

5. God exist because He is our inner wisdom.

He is the "light-bulb" that goes off in our head when we have a great idea. He is the poet's fever to write words (as I am doing now, I can't help it. High fever, apparently) in beautiful pose. He is what some of us call coincidences. He is the synchronicity in life. There need not be anything supernatural in all this. Where would you be without having new ideas? Where would you be if you didn't fulfill the passion you have? Where would you be without the psychology of bringing new things or thinking about the old? All of what I just said and more IS God. Without it, we would be bodies and minds--machines without a motor.

6. God exists because He is the Creator.

Don't panic. Everyone has a different view of what the Creator entails: Myself included.

Creator, to me, is not someone who brings something into nothing. That's magic. There is no magic. Creator creates things from what is already here. We create buildings. We create books by writing them. We are creators of our inventions. We create. So, behind all of the world's atoms and such, the Creator is the energy or physics that make one force (say water) come together with another force (say land). The Creator creates mountains. He creates the valleys. He makes the winds into hurricanes.

What is already here is put together by energy (or whatever the physic's word is) to create one thing into another. Sperm and egg creates a child. Rotten food can bring maggots. So forth.

One does not need to create something from nothing to be a Creator.

7. God exists because He is a concept or idea, a word to describe the simplicity of life (most of what I described above)

As a concept, God can shift into a force, a being, a Alpha, Odin, or any other being, force, (fill in the blank), that can exist.

We don't need to worship it for it to be God. It does not have to be supernatural to be God. It doesn't have to have spiritual terminology to be God. For example, we say we make "gods" out of money. We make "gods" out of our family. Why? Because way put these at more importance than ourselves.

THAT is God. What or who we put as an importance over ourselves regardless of who or what it is. Do you value something more than yourself? Do you value your family? Your friends? Loved ones? If you think of others more than yourself, you experienced God. Thereby, God exists.

While this is long and will be cherry-picked, my point is pretty simple. God exists.

"He" (for convenience not for a specific religion) exists because:

If you'd like to have a good discussion about a couple of these reasons, that would be cool. This is not a Monotheist, Polytheist, Pantheist, Panenthiest, Deist, Left-hand Path , atheist, agnostic, folk faiths, druid, and so on focused thread.

I used "God" because it is what word that is commonly used. Please take out the connotations associated with God and refer to how you see "Him" and the definition I gave at the top.

Happy debating.



What is colored answers your questions.

@leibowde84 this answers your questions too. I defined how I see God and common threads in others defin. that all dont reflect my own.

You are assuming God's existence in your definition of what God is. Thus, you are employing circular reasoning.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God, imho, is an undefinable entity that exists beyond the limits of our physical mind. One day, if in fact we do leave these human bodies, we might be able to, but with our mental limitations, we will never get there. That is why I BELIEVE in God. I know full well that I could be dead wrong. It could certainly be that when we die there is nothing else.

It frustrates me when people try to claim that they can logically prove that God exists by assigning things that they merely think sound right and already do exist to God. We don't know what God is. I have my beliefs, but absolutely know "knowledge". It is impossible to "know" anything about God, just as it is impossible to "know" whether the Bible is partly accurate, perfectly accurate, or merely a bunch of mythical stories.

Finally, it makes me absolutely livid when people use God as a "cop-out". For example, some will say, "how did something come from nothing if there is no God", as if a lack of currently available scientific explanation somehow proves or even strengthens the likeliness that God exists. That is an example of an "argument from ignorance" and is a completely logical fallacy (a.k.a. "load of crap"). It doesn't help to prove anything. And, it spits in the very notion of what Science is; "a method of procedure consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses. Science doesn't jump to conclusions, and rightly so. Theists, by definition, do, as they hold a "belief" in the existence of God without any tangible proof beyond speculation. Nothing wrong with that, but it can't be measured as being nearly as strong as scientific theories.

Okay. Thank you. I read everything. I am an atheist so the only God I know exist is the life I explained and my value of it. It cannot be just a belief because I have medically both mentally and physically experienced what its like not to be intuned with life (aka my gratitude for living not loving) made it a reality.

What bothers me is when I see this belittled. What you call my attributions, like love, purpose, action I know others use these to refer to God. Taking out the word life for a min. "God loves me. God saved me. I can not survive without God."

Its the same thing wrapped in cultural language an when I see some one else belittled by putting down God its like spiting on their "life." As if they have no reasons tonlive when christians put down atheist. Or God/Jesus will turn His back because people dont believe humans are gods.

My OP was also trying to show beyond the word God, we share things in common that is the proof it its existence. Our mind, our purpose etc et. Etc. I believe in the supernatual and spirits, though like Catholics and the word symbolism, I dont care to call what is a part of me a belief. Beliefs change but our foundations shound be, well, foundations.

I dont call it God. I have no name for the foundation but God seems to be common. Hence why it was used.

(You dont have to reread my OP)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You are assuming God's existence in your definition of what God is. Thus, you are employing circular reasoning.

I posted a reply on that. I dont grasp circar reasoning. However, we see God differently.

 

[leibowde84]

I posted a reply on that. I dont grasp circar reasoning. However, we see God differently.

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Examples:
"Whatever is less dense than water will float, because such objects won't sink in water"
"The Bible is the Word of God because God tells us it is... in the Bible."

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with. The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.

Examples:
"Whatever is less dense than water will float, because such objects won't sink in water"
"The Bible is the Word of God because God tells us it is... in the Bible."

Ooh. Interesting. In your opinion, Cr would be: "God exist because life tells us he exists"?

EDIT mirroring the Bible example you used?

aka

Life exists on its own premise. It doesnt need proof. The word God confuses the issue.

Unless life needs proof for its existence?

 

[JoStories]

Carlita, how is "God exists because the creator" not circular?

I dont understand?

What creator? Is creator to be equated with God? Is God the creator? How do you begin to define the terms here?

Its in the spoiler. Also, God had many definitions. We just keep using monotheistics. There is a pattern in all religions or spiritual walks. Why do we keep using God as if he is a creator or god if he is Odin or god as the universe etc.

In one post, you said insert any word you want. Ok, I will. How does Pencil exists because the creator make any more sense that the first version?

 

[averageJOE]

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Spoiler: Nature of God

God is: Any supernatural being

[force; divine; nature; environment; the all; consciousness; energy; awareness; spirit; mind; Buddha-nature; human-god; human; creator; sun; moon; stars; earth--you get the picture--no exclusions]

worshiped as controlling some part of the world

[or is the word, in the word, above the world, a part from the world, not the world, as a person, as a being, as nature, WHATever or WHOever]

or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force (fill in the blank).

Courtesy of Dictionary : Vocabulary.com (Colored text my additions)

1. God exists because you exist.

If God is consciousness, you exist because you to have consciousness. Without mind, you can't live. As such, God is just a label to explain your mind in relation to your survival. Without it, you cannot exist. To prove minds or consciousness does not exist is to prove that all living beings and things have no energy and motivation (however it is called in animals, etc) to live. Since you do have this instinct, etc. God does exist.

2. God exists because without "Him" (using a pronoun for convenience not for a specific God), you would literally be brain-dead.

As mind, awareness, and energy, He is you and you are Him. Without Him, no survival. The body can't live without God.

3. God exists because of design and pattern in the universe.

Don't panic. Let me explain. God is nature. Nature has a pattern. As we are born, grow, age, and pass on this pattern is the process of God. God lets the ants make a mold hill and corroborate with each other in what they do even though it's repetitive and quote annoying during the summer time. God is the sun that rises, sits, and sets. God is the moon phases from full (happy full moon day!), to quarter, to new and back to quarter, and full again. God is energy=energy makes this happen. Therefore, God exists.

4. God exists because we all want a sense of purpose in life.

Don't panic. Let me explain. Without a purpose, why would doctors want to be doctors? Why would people want to have a family? Why would students want a full education? Why would you want to clean your home? Why would you want to live a healthy life? Why do you want to live? Your body says you do. Your mind says you do. This is biological and psychological. As such, no one escapes this want and some times need to challenge oneself to build a purpose (or insert whatever would you like) in life. Does it have to be spiritual: No. Does it have to involve the Alpha and the Omega? No. Don't panic. Why do you want to live? That purpose IS God.

5. God exist because He is our inner wisdom.

He is the "light-bulb" that goes off in our head when we have a great idea. He is the poet's fever to write words (as I am doing now, I can't help it. High fever, apparently) in beautiful pose. He is what some of us call coincidences. He is the synchronicity in life. There need not be anything supernatural in all this. Where would you be without having new ideas? Where would you be if you didn't fulfill the passion you have? Where would you be without the psychology of bringing new things or thinking about the old? All of what I just said and more IS God. Without it, we would be bodies and minds--machines without a motor.

6. God exists because He is the Creator.

Don't panic. Everyone has a different view of what the Creator entails: Myself included. Creator, to me, is not someone who brings something into nothing. That's magic. There is no magic. Creator creates things from what is already here. We create buildings. We create books by writing them. We are creators of our inventions. We create. So, behind all of the world's atoms and such, the Creator is the energy or physics that make one force (say water) come together with another force (say land). The Creator creates mountains. He creates the valleys. He makes the winds into hurricanes.

What is already here is put together by energy (or whatever the physic's word is) to create one thing into another. Sperm and egg creates a child. Rotten food can bring maggots. So forth.

One does not need to create something from nothing to be a Creator.

7. God exists because He is a concept or idea, a word to describe the simplicity of life (most of what I described above)

As a concept, God can shift into a force, a being, a Alpha, Odin, or any other being, force, (fill in the blank), that can exist. We don't need to worship it for it to be God. It does not have to be supernatural to be God. It doesn't have to have spiritual terminology to be God. For example, we say we make "gods" out of money. We make "gods" out of our family. Why? Because way put these at more importance than ourselves.

THAT is God. What or who we put as an importance over ourselves regardless of who or what it is. Do you value something more than yourself? Do you value your family? Your friends? Loved ones? If you think of others more than yourself, you experienced God. Thereby, God exists.

While this is long and will be cherry-picked, my point is pretty simple. God exists.

"He" (for convenience not for a specific religion) exists because:

1. God exists because you exist.

2. God exists because without "Him" (using a pronoun for convenience not for a specific God), you would literally be brain-dead.

3. God exists because of design and pattern in the universe.

4. God exists because we all want a sense of purpose in life.

5. God exist because He is our inner wisdom.

6. God exists because the Creator.

7. God exists because He is a concept or idea, a word to describe the simplicity of life (most of what I described above)

If you'd like to have a good discussion about a couple of these reasons, that would be cool. This is not a Monotheist, Polytheist, Pantheist, Panenthiest, Deist, Left-hand Path , atheist, agnostic, folk faiths, druid, and so on focused thread. I used "God" because it is what word that is commonly used. Please take out the connotations associated with God and refer to how you see "Him" and the definition I gave at the top.

Happy debating.

Thank you for reading this.

I don't understand this logic. It's a "god of the gaps" argument held together with circular reasoning.
God is consciousness. Consciousness exists because of god.

If god is consciousness, and I have conscience, does that mean my conscience created the universe?

 

[Mycroft]

You forgot the perennial classic: 'God exists because there is wind and the wind cannot be seen but exists because you can feel it' (said in a regional American accent of your choice).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In this respect, the word God is consciousness (or how people want to term the word). The word God shares many characteristics in all faiths no matter what they call God.

For example, God is our wisdom. The word God can be used to be this wisdom that can also be min, consciousness, buddha nature (whata in my spoiler) and still be wisdom regardless the name.

The word God can be the creator. I do not believe anything can come from nothing. All is a "product of" our mind. Everything is percieved from the mind. The mind "creates" our worls world view. The word mind can also be called the word God.

The word God can be called nature. God, to some, takes care of us. If nature IS God, she (for mother not person) does. Literally not metaphysically. We need nature or the earth foe our survival. If God is nature and we know nature exists. So does God.

The word God as mind, purpose, consious, etc exist because we have direct experience of it. You have a mind, purpose, con. Nature exists no matter the language. If all these things are God but separately named by different people, it doesnt matter the label. They exist therefore God does.

This is not a monotheist, polytheisr, etx.. thread.

There is no mono lens that God in this thread should be a person or being "compared" to the def. I gave. If you have a def. say you believe God is a beingz you can see we all believe in the same thing and we call it different ways.

In my OP, I will also restate that the word God is a word I am accustomed to. It means many things to many people. When read with an openess that God is not one thing but multifacted word that describes more less what i listedz you can see its a word. All things it is exist. Therefore, it is proof that God exist.

Nothing fancy. Nothing supernatural (unless thats your faith).

All of what I listed is all life. Life is God. No more no less.

I see no circular reasoning. More redundancy.

God is mind. If that is so, why not just say mind. Thats like saying a RF is a religious forums. Focusing on the redundancy not the ancrolynm.

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I don't understand this logic. It's a "god of the gaps" argument held together with circular reasoning.
God is consciousness. Consciousness exists because of god.

If god is consciousness, and I have conscience, does that mean my conscience created the universe?

 

[McBell]

Take out the word God. Ignore the Spoiler. Cut up the OP to:

Mind
Purpose
Ability to create (like I create poetry)
Universe (real: stars, planets, sun, moon, earth)

These exist, right?

If they do, I am just calling them God.

If youre thinking about monotheistic lens, no, what i say will not make sense

Again, what evidence do you have that is not a blatant logical fallacy?

The "monotheist lens" is not the ace in the hole you think it is.

 

[Looncall]

God (consciousness, force, being, the all, nature, environment, love, people, and so on. In OP Spoiler)... is not supernatural. Is not a noun to describe a person out in the middle of now where

God exists because you exist.

2. God exists because without "Him" (using a pronoun for convenience not for a specific God), you would literally be brain-dead.

Without your mind or coYou seem to be suffering from the typical religiohs malady if reification.
nsciousness (God) you would not function. Therefore, you have mind and consciousness (God) hence God exists.

3. God exists because of design and pattern in the universe.

God IS pattern and design. (He/She/It/Whatever) did not create it (that's monotheistic lens)T

Design such as the sun and moon patterns. Without the sun and moon, no exists. Therefore, God exists.

4. God exists because we all want a sense of purpose in life.

Unless you don't have any purpose in life whatsoever (not talking of those with clinical depression etc), no want to clean the house, take of oneself, etc, then God does not exist.

Since the "sense of purpose" IS God (God did not give it; monotheistic lens again) and we have this purpose no matter how we define it, God exists.

5. God exist because He is our inner wisdom.

Unless we feel we don't have wisdom or knowledge (unless we believe we are dumb, I guess), we have wisdom. Buddha-nature, is how I'd describe it.

Inner Wisdom can also be described as God. (God is not a person; He did not give wisdom) He IS wisdom.

6. God exists because the Creator.

You don't need to be a being or create something out of nothing to be a creator. I create poetry. Ants create dirt hills. Since the universe had some motion to create itself, it is the Creator=it is God.

Therefore, God exists (if not, no earth would be created; universe for that matter) Remember, not a person. Not a being with hands shaping the universe.
That's a monotheist lens.

7. God exists because He is a concept or idea, a word to describe the simplicity of life (most of what I described above)

All of these explanations are life. I just used the word God as a definition of these reasons.

The point: Many people see God a as a being. "God" (above) is not a being. He is life. He exists. How? read above.

Again, he for convenience.

Life is not a thing or a substance, it is a process. Your post is word salad.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What are you talking about?

God is a word I attributed to mind, purpose, action, etc. I attributed it to all things in life supernatural OR not. Take away the word God, these things will still exist.

Whats the issue?

Again, what evidence do you have that is not a blatant logical fallacy?

The "monotheist lens" is not the ace in the hole you think it is.