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"Top Ten Shocking Beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses"
- Thread starter Skwim
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I am SHOCKED! that there seems to be no Jews who are able to warn the Jehovah's Witnesses and their governing body that they must stop calling themselves Jehovah.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Technically they're not calling themselves Jehovah, they're calling themselves his Witnesses.
In theory. They say that to leave the group is to leave Jehovah. So, what do they call themselves in theory? Imagine all the Jehovah's Witnesses are just one person which isn't so hard to do as they are being taught the one mind. Now, imagine you become joined with that one person, but you can't become the one mind, so you leave. That one person now accuses you of leaving Jehovah, but you did not leave Jehovah; you left the one mind. They do not say, "you have left the one mind" which is true. They say, "you have left Jehovah" which is not true. Do you understand now?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I understand what you're trying to get at, but it's misrepresentation. If they believe that they are the only ones who truly worship Jehovah, and are - as his Witnesses - his favored people, then leaving that people is to also leave that god.
It's really no different than any other Christian group saying that by leaving their church you've also "left God".
It's really no different than any other Christian group saying that by leaving their church you've also "left God".
OK. I can agree with that. But, it is wrong to assume that anyone knows what it is to leave Jehovah. Only Jehovah knows. Right?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Within the confines of Christian theology, yes I would agree that only the god of Abraham knows who truly leaves and worships him or not.
Do the math.
If only Jehovah knows and they know, then?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Then they're still making a claim that every other Christian group claims - the mind of their god. I'm not disagreeing that they're wrong, but they're not claiming to be Jehovah himself.
Right. Nobody claims it out-loud. God alone knows righteousness. But, some people say they know it. That's all I'm saying. Whenever anybody says, "I know what is right and true" it is as though they are really saying, "I am God".
Samael_Khan
Qigong / Yang Style Taijiquan / 7 Star Mantis
I would say that you shouldn't solely trust a non believer or a believer of a certain religion. They are both biased to some degree as you say.
What you do is go to a believers publications to confirm what is being said. The cool thing about JW's is that their beliefs are open for others to see. So it is easy to confirm these things. But to truly get the meet of the issue one must download the JW Library app because that has loads of information as to what they actually learn as believers.
But then, what if believers are told not to communicate with people who have left the group. If there is something wrong going on then how else would you find out? Only by personal experience isn't it?
Say, for instance, if you are a part of a certain group. The Australian government actually investigates child abuse problems within that group. It is not on apostate websites, but on a Governments website. So therefore it is true is it not? And if ex members of said group post this truth then they aren't being biased are they? They are telling the truth.
If you as a believer are only able to watch what your group says you much watch, then what if they only show you the good things bout them and never show you the bad?
You are also showing bias by not going to third sources because for all you know the group is only telling you the good things. You must compare what they say with other third party sources being careful that videos of those sources have some way of proving their validity because obviously they can also just be spreading lies.
And, there is an incentive to lie about beliefs. If you get them in, control them, and prevent them from viewing and trusting outside, opposing sources, you can make them believe what you want about the organisation without showing them the bad. Then you can get money, free labour and free sales people promoting your "product". Those in a religion but will not even watch a video with an opposing view proves my point about how they can be controlled by a group once they are in it. If a person will not look at opposing sources to their view that is pretty much a warning sign in itself that they fear what is said and are part of a cult group. Since all they have to do is refute what is said which settles the issue.
Also, if you can get a person into a group through telling lies, but preventing them from leaving the group under duress, then that is one benefit of lying. If someone is in a group, gets married to a member in a group, has children, and then can't leave because their family will disown them if they do, in which they will never see their family again, then that is a perfect way of keeping a person in a group, even if they discover they were lied to.
You will only be able to make up your own mind if you have all the facts.
Shadow Rose
Member
I believe that all religions, in some way, have truth to them. Once you become part of a religion you will be biased towards that religion and those beliefs and believe that your religion is the one true faith. Many religions came about by someone not agreeing fully with the religion that they were currently in and so they took their beliefs and created a new religion adding to it with their own beliefs. Does it make this new religion wrong? No, because there are still some truths that have followed to this new religion.
I was raised as a Christian for all my life until I started questioning so many things. I started my research and have found a place with Hinduism that feels more at home. Even though I no longer follow the Christian faith I do still find some truth in it. I do admit though that the JW beliefs are a little hard to swallow but who am I to say that they are wrong?
I was raised as a Christian for all my life until I started questioning so many things. I started my research and have found a place with Hinduism that feels more at home. Even though I no longer follow the Christian faith I do still find some truth in it. I do admit though that the JW beliefs are a little hard to swallow but who am I to say that they are wrong?
Neutral Name
Active Member
What a can of worms that is for me. I was a Christian until I realized that each denomination was right and, to each, the others were wrong. So, the body of Christ was divided into thousands of denominations. Instead of following what Jesus said, to love each other and come together, they have divided. A house divided cannot stand, Matthew 12:25-28. So, to me, the Jehovah's Witnesses are just another misguided denomination.
Skwim
Veteran Member
sooda
Veteran Member
Skwim
Veteran Member
How is it shocking that Jehova's Witnesses believe they have the true faith or that their Bible is correct?
Skwim
Veteran Member
I don't think it is, The "shocking" assessment is Daniel's, the guy in the video. You'd have to ask him.
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