Torture Monkey stands firm

[Smoke]

Now that's hard to believe. Hopefully it's not true. I would imagine it's true about Americans finding Iraq on a map.

In a survey in 2002, 11% of Americans couldn't find the United States on a map.

87% couldn't find Iraq on a map. By 2006, though, 37% of young Americans could find Iraq on a map.

Sources: CNN.com - Global goofs: U.S. youth can't find Iraq - Nov. 22, 2002
Young Americans Geographically Illiterate, Survey Suggests

 

[Starfish]

In a survey in 2002, 11% of Americans couldn't find the United States on a map.

They didn't say what ages were included in the survey. I find it hard to believe that any American adult or teen--unless they were mentality impaired--couldn't find the USA on a map. Children--yes.

 

[Smoke]

They didn't say what ages were included in the survey. I find it hard to believe that any American adult or teen--unless they were mentality impaired--couldn't find the USA on a map. Children--yes.

They did say. The subjects were aged 18 to 24.

 

[Starfish]

They did say. The subjects were aged 18 to 24.

Wow. Like I said--hard to believe, but not impossible to believe. But one would think if the survey included ALL adults, the stats would likely look much better.

 

[Smoke]

Wow. Like I said--hard to believe, but not impossible to believe. But one would think if the survey included ALL adults, the stats would likely look much better.

Possibly, but I'm not so sure. When I was in school, I had to be able to label all the countries on a map of Europe in English and German, but our education didn't take much interest in countries outside of North America and Europe, except for Egypt, Israel, Jordan, China and Japan, and Jordan was interesting only to the extent that the 1967 war affected the border. Anything I learned beyond that, I learned pretty much on my own. We didn't even learn about Vietnam, and I went to school during the Vietnam War.

 

[yossarian22]

In a survey in 2002, 11% of Americans couldn't find the United States on a map.

87% couldn't find Iraq on a map. By 2006, though, 37% of young Americans could find Iraq on a map.

Sources: CNN.com - Global goofs: U.S. youth can't find Iraq - Nov. 22, 2002
Young Americans Geographically Illiterate, Survey Suggests

Disgusting report
A multistage, stratified area probability sample applied down to the Secondary Sampling Unit (SSU) stage (i.e. street/block group or similar classification) was used for this research. For the selection of households, interviewers followed randomly selected, pre-determined interviewing routes with skip intervals. At the household level, quotas for sex and age were applied for respondent selection.

With this piece of **** methodology, I could create a poll which suggested that Americans did not know what the color green was

 

[kiwimac]

Ah what a Joy, more pain, more hurt, more injustice in the name of the US people.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ah what a Joy, more pain, more hurt, more injustice in the name of the US people.

Cool. And more child molesting in the name of the Catholic people, right? Oh, it doesn't work like that?

 

[kiwimac]

Cool. And more child molesting in the name of the Catholic people, right? Oh, it doesn't work like that?

I'm an OLD catholic not a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Do some research before embarrassing yourself, please?

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm an OLD catholic not a member of the Roman Catholic Church. Do some research before embarrassing yourself, please?

If you can generalize Americans then I can generalize Catholics, son.

 

[kiwimac]

1: I am not a Catholic in the sense you mean.
2: My Church, the Anglican Church International, has had exactly NO pedophile bishops or priests.
3: I am 48 and the only ones with any right to call me son are long dead.
4: Please do show how I was generalising ANYTHING in my statement above

 

[The Voice of Reason]

4: Please do show how I was generalising ANYTHING in my statement above

When you said that this would be "more pain, more hurt, more injustice in the name of the US people" - it makes it sound as if everyone in America supported Bush's policy on torture.

That could not be much further from the truth. Bush abused his office, taking powers that were not his. Torture is one of them.

Father Heathen took that post to imply that you were saying that ALL Americans supported the stupidity of Lord Bush.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I'm glad to hear that President-Elect Obama wants to close Guantanamo Bay. Yes! And give people fair trials. See? It's good having a person in office who knows the Constitution and practices it.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Oh, those neo-cons and their sick little kinks.

I guess he doesn't get enough S&M?

 

[LittlePinky82]

If the choice was water boarding VS innocent people dying, which would you choose?

Neither. I suggest you read the U.S. Constitution first hon. That's such ********. There have been cases in law enforcement where trials are thrown out of court just because a person wasn't read their Miranda rights. The purpose of interrogations is to gather reliable information. Torture does **** except to get someone's balls off.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Sorry for the "irrelevant" question, Midnight. Please educate me. Do we know for a fact that water boarding has never produced necessary information?

Plus I resent the name "torture monkey."

Sorry hon you don't like the truth. Would you like war criminal instead? If you torture someone to almost death to say the sky is made out of cotton candy they will tell you whatever the person wants to hear. I suggest you google for Christopher Hitchen's article on torture. And remember Hitchens is a total rightwinger and he was waterboarded and didn't last TEN SECONDS.

 

[Father Heathen]

1: I am not a Catholic in the sense you mean.
2: My Church, the Anglican Church International, has had exactly NO pedophile bishops or priests.
3: I am 48 and the only ones with any right to call me son are long dead.
4: Please do show how I was generalising ANYTHING in my statement above

I really couldn't care less about your denomination, as that was never the point. You implied all Americans supported Bush and his policies, so I implied all Catholics like to molest children. But I don't really believe that, obviously. I was making an analogy which unfortunately was lost on you.

When you said that this would be "more pain, more hurt, more injustice in the name of the US people" - it makes it sound as if everyone in America supported Bush's policy on torture.

That could not be much further from the truth. Bush abused his office, taking powers that were not his. Torture is one of them.

Father Heathen took that post to imply that you were saying that ALL Americans supported the stupidity of Lord Bush.

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I don't believe for one second that you nor I nor anyone here knows more about this issue than Pres. Bush. He has much more info at his disposal than any of us. I trust his opinion.

Believe me I was no fan of our previous president. I could hardly stand to look at him. But he was our president and deserved my respect as such. I'm just sick of the name-calling.

I'm going into law enforcement and will be a detective in homicide I really hope. If you're ever a suspect of mine in the future can I waterboard you for info? I guess you'd be alright about that.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Exactly. Thank you.

Sorry for walking on you, Heathen. I wasn't sure if you were online at the time, so I took the liberty.

 

[LittlePinky82]

I don't have a problem with it either Starfish. We have to try and get info out of these people, what are the alternatives? Ask them politely to tell the truth?

So would you mind being tortured and waterboarded? If you wouldn't mind it for yourself you really shouldn't be talking about other people being tortured. I guess you were okay with Hitler torturing people eh?