TotD: Was the serpent in Genesis Satan?

[Sleeppy]

You read it that way based on how you were exposed to it, in a world which has moved onto its own interpretation. Believe all you like that you are independent of any organized religion, that is fine, but to deny you've been influenced by it is unrealistic. Just the fact that it needs to be translated into your language, changed everything. Never mind the fact that your interpretation of this issue coincides exactly with this modern view I mentioned

Flip everything you just said back in your direction?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Flip everything you just said back in your direction?

What other culture was I exposed to?


I wouldn't have said it if self-reflexivity didn't apply to my own pronouncement. My conclusion is far outside my culture, which is his: steeped in xtianity.

The words I keep citing are the original Hebrew, in which the tense referenced does not change things the way its described. Im not reading it out of the KJV from 1980.

lol, the KJV, forsooth.

I mean, someone tossed it off as 'bringing in a foreign language', for pete's sake! A foreign language, Hebrew for Biblical scripture?? I nearly peed myself laughing.

 

[mayuboar]

the story stems from the summerians orginally right, altered over time.

 

[Thief]

You read it that way based on how you were exposed to it, in a world which has moved onto its own interpretation. Believe all you like that you are independent of any organized religion, that is fine, but to deny you've been influenced by it is unrealistic. Just the fact that it needs to be translated into your language, changed everything. Never mind the fact that your interpretation of this issue coincides exactly with this modern view I mentioned

You're not in the lead on this one.

My read of Genesis was not taught to me by someone else.

And you know this to be true.
We have argued at length my interpretation of the narrative.

I am indeed....unique.

The translation from one tongue to another has influence...of course.
But only the shallow minded get caught up in the wordplay.

The intent and purpose of the narrative is clear enough.

 

[Desert Snake]

the story stems from the summerians orginally right, altered over time.

not that i'm aware of, if you could provide more details it would help the discussion

 

[Heathen Hammer]

You're not in the lead on this one.

If you'd like to think this, go ahead.

My read of Genesis was not taught to me by someone else.
And you know this to be true.
We have argued at length my interpretation of the narrative.

But it came from a book which was not its original language, right?

The translation from one tongue to another has influence...of course.
But only the shallow minded get caught up in the wordplay.

Only the shallow minded ignore relevant details when it does not jibe with what they want. It's fine if you've gone off script, nothing wrong with a little independent thinking.. but your insistence that the fact you seem to be reading from a translation written specifically to vary from Church doctrine, in 1604, means nothing to your interpretation, is a bit naive.

James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy.[9] The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[10]

The intent and purpose of the narrative is clear enough.

Which version of the narrative?

 

[Desert Snake]

What other culture was I exposed to?


I wouldn't have said it if self-reflexivity didn't apply to my own pronouncement. My conclusion is far outside my culture, which is his: steeped in xtianity.

The words I keep citing are the original Hebrew, in which the tense referenced does not change things the way its described. Im not reading it out of the KJV from 1980.

lol, the KJV, forsooth.

I mean, someone tossed it off as 'bringing in a foreign language', for pete's sake! A foreign language, Hebrew for Biblical scripture?? I nearly peed myself laughing.

I really need a Hebrew Bible

 

[mayuboar]

not that i'm aware of, if you could provide more details it would help the discussion

look at there beliefs, they began with two people in a garden, the mans name was the same as adam.
they also had a story of 2 brothers like cain and abel, ended in death.
the flood story also.
they had ten commandments.

many more well before jesus, thousands of years before, same stories.

 

[Thief]

If you'd like to think this, go ahead.


But it came from a book which was not its original language, right?


Only the shallow minded ignore relevant details when it does not jibe with what they want. It's fine if you've gone off script, nothing wrong with a little independent thinking.. but your insistence that the fact you seem to be reading from a translation written specifically to vary from Church doctrine, in 1604, means nothing to your interpretation, is a bit naive.



Which version of the narrative?

Take your pick.
Try choosing one wherein Man is not a creation of God and there is no Advesary.

Then consider the greater numbers of believers.

You're not in the lead.

 

[McBell]

Take your pick.
Try choosing one wherein Man is not a creation of God and there is no Advesary.

Then consider the greater numbers of believers.

You're not in the lead.

:biglaugh:
Stop...
stop...

you're killing me...

:biglaugh:

please...

As if "truth" gives a cricket fart how many people believe one way or another...

Nice appeal to numbers though.
And thanks a ton for the laughs!!

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Yes, chuckle worthy, to be sure.

Take your pick.
Try choosing one wherein Man is not a creation of God and there is no Advesary.

Unfortunately they were not smart enough to put that choice in Snake oil doesn't work as well when you have no fictitious ailment to need the cure for.

 

[Thief]

:biglaugh:
Stop...
stop...

you're killing me...

:biglaugh:

please...

As if "truth" gives a cricket fart how many people believe one way or another...

Nice appeal to numbers though.
And thanks a ton for the laughs!!

And you would be that cricket?

A shallow dismissal on your part.
Care to continue?
And which version of the creation narrative has no adversary?

And if you find one...does it contain some acquisition of knowledge about good and evil?

No consequence?