Tramp Trump Trampled?

[stvdv]

19 jul 2018 stvdv narc 2227

They're talking about Trump having an enemies list - just like Nixon did. Trump is apparently worried about those who might oppose him. I wonder if it's something like this:

He won't kill. Just kill their income, family and emotional life. Don't forget he is a narcissist. They thrive on seeing others suffer and themselves glorified. 60 years jail much better than killing

 

[`mud]

I noticed that the Rev hasn't posted on this thread yet, surprised ??

 

[fantome profane]

My gut reaction is to dump Trump, but my concern is that Pence is more dangerous. IMHO, Trump is a bumbling fool and dangerous only because of his random blundering. Pence strikes me as actual pursuing a specific agenda that will be bad for a lot of people, both in the US and out.

Trump must stay until 2020 because Pence would be worse.

Trump (To a Brit) is great entertainment, he really is making America Worse Again.

If you are concerned about the possibility of a President Pence you should do all you can to get as many Democrats elected to the house and to the senate.

 

[ecco]

If you are concerned about the possibility of a President Pence you should do all you can to get as many Democrats elected to the house and to the senate.

Ideal, and possible, scenario:
Dems win the House this November
Dems elect Adam Schiff to Speaker of the House
Trump and Pence die simultaneously at an NRA benefit in December
Schiff becomes President

 

[PureX]

My gut reaction is to dump Trump, but my concern is that Pence is more dangerous. IMHO, Trump is a bumbling fool and dangerous only because of his random blundering. Pence strikes me as actual pursuing a specific agenda that will be bad for a lot of people, both in the US and out.

True, but if Trump were gone, and Pence was up, the media would finally be forced to focus on the systematic dismantling of our democracy by the republican party elites. As it is, now, all eyes and cameras are so locked on the Trump train-wreck that we aren't acknowledging the real damage that's being done to this country. And on who is doing it, and why.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

They knew that today was coming.

The older I get the more I see how much vision these guys had over two hundred years ago.

You guys are aware the electoral collage was proped up on the desire to protect the institution of slavery from abolitionists in the federalist party, right?
Good old boys wanted to protect the democratic republican traditionalism, and it took a bloody war and several subsequent court battles to overturn the result. And since the electoral collage has only ever aided out-of-touch Republicans.

 

[Kenny]

You guys are aware the electoral collage was proped up on the desire to protect the institution of slavery from abolitionists in the federalist party, right?
Good old boys wanted to protect the democratic republican traditionalism, and it took a bloody war and several subsequent court battles to overturn the result. And since the electoral collage has only ever aided out-of-touch Republicans.

Actually.... no.

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."


Why the Electoral College

 

[BSM1]

You guys are aware the electoral collage was proped up on the desire to protect the institution of slavery from abolitionists in the federalist party, right?
Good old boys wanted to protect the democratic republican traditionalism, and it took a bloody war and several subsequent court battles to overturn the result. And since the electoral collage has only ever aided out-of-touch Republicans.

How that work out for them?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Actually.... no.

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."


Why the Electoral College

When the founders of the U.S. Constitution in 1787 considered whether America should let the people elect their president through a popular vote, James Madison said that "Negroes" in the South presented a "difficulty … of a serious nature."

During that same speech on Thursday, July 19, Madison instead proposed a prototype for the same Electoral College system the country uses today. Each state has a number of electoral votes roughly proportioned to population and the candidate who wins the majority of votes wins the election.

Since then, the Electoral College system has cost four candidates the race after they received the popular vote — most recently in 2000, when Al Gore lost to George W. Bush. Such anomalies and other criticisms have pushed 10 Democratic states to enroll in a popular vote system. And while there are many grievances about the Electoral College, one that's rarely addressed is one dug up by an academic of the Constitution: that it was created to protect slavery, planting the roots of a system that's still oppressive today.

Electoral College is 'vestige' of slavery, say some Constitutional scholars
The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists

 

[Kenny]

Electoral College is 'vestige' of slavery, say some Constitutional scholars
The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists

Between modern PBS and Perea, which they quote and who is also the author of "The Constitution is Pro-Slavery", your quote isn't a good source. Especially in light of Hamiltion's quote who was there when it was enacted.

 

[Falvlun]

Actually.... no.

"The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief."


Why the Electoral College

The fact that the electoral college went along with the masses to elect Trump, who clearly was unfit for the office, demonstrates that they won’t fulfill their intended position. Time to go.

 

[Falvlun]

Trump must stay until 2020 because Pence would be worse.

Trump (To a Brit) is great entertainment, he really is making America Worse Again.

I think the fear of Pence is a bit overblown. If by some miracle Trump is impeached, it’ll only be because Democrats took over Congress. If that happens, Pence will be the lamest of lame ducks.

 

[Revoltingest]

I noticed that the Rev hasn't posted on this thread yet, surprised ??

Only because you never alerted me.
I'm not voting.
Why?
If I vote to keep Trump, mischievous boneheads will call me "Trump supporter!".
If I vote to give him the boot, they'll call me "Pence supporter!".
It's a no win situation.
But it's moot, ie, the real voting is over, & the juggernaut of government is in motion.
I'll have no possible effect, so I just watch.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Between modern PBS and Perea, which they quote and who is also the author of "The Constitution is Pro-Slavery", your quote isn't a good source. Especially in light of Hamiltion's quote who was there when it was enacted.

Are you attacking the source instead of addressing the claim?

 

[Kenny]

Are you attacking the source instead of addressing the claim?

I addressed the claim with a quote from one of the ones who framed it. If you choose to ignore it, what do you want me to do?

Your site only makes a statement but doesn't support the statement.

 

[tytlyf]

Only because you never alerted me.
I'm not voting.
Why?
If I vote to keep Trump, mischievous boneheads will call me "Trump supporter!".
If I vote to give him the boot, they'll call me "Pence supporter!".
It's a no win situation.
But it's moot, ie, the real voting is over, & the juggernaut of government is in motion.
I'll have no possible effect, so I just watch.

The rudderless ship strikes again.

You voted for Trump. You didn't vote libertarian. Time to change party affiliation. How can you expect libertarians to ever win if people who claim to be libertarian never vote that way?

Here's a good idea. Take the republican establishment base and convince them to vote straight libertarian. This will allow the republican party to lose it's base and dissolve itself. From there, you can create a new conservative party that doesn't have to worry about all those republican elitists and RINO's.

But there's a problem, the conservative base will keep voting for the republican establishment. Mostly because they get their 'news' from the republican establishment. The conservative base doesn't notice what these republican elitists are doing to them. So the base will be frightened again into supporting the swamp. Conservatives in the past were able to kick the DemoKKKrat party to the curb and create their own Dixiecrat party. Didn't last long.

Happens every time

 

[Revoltingest]

How can you expect libertarians to ever win if people who claim to be libertarian never vote that way?

Oh, not this old smegma again.
Why is it that you don't discuss anything?
Instead, you offer trollduggery.
I recommend giving thoughtful conversation a try.

 

[`mud]

Sorry about that....

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I addressed the claim with a quote from one of the ones who framed it. If you choose to ignore it, what do you want me to do?

Your site only makes a statement but doesn't support the statement.

I also quoted literally the person who framed the electoral college, who did so because he was literally worried about black emancipation.

 

[Kenny]

I also quoted literally the person who framed the electoral college, who did so because he was literally worried about black emancipation.

I double checked and failed to see where. Could you repost that?