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Transgenders

Rhynni

Member
Thoughts on transgenders. Do you know any? If so, we're they generally accepted, rejected, or anywhere in between? Any ideas positive or negative welcome.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thoughts on transgenders. Do you know any? If so, we're they generally accepted, rejected, or anywhere in between? Any ideas positive or negative welcome.
There were two people from my class in high school (that I know of, there could be more) that eventually changed their sex to match their gender. One went from male to female while the other went female to male.

When I worked as a Resident Assistant in college, one of the floors of the building I worked in had special facilities to accommodate LGBT students (public bathrooms that are not gender specific for transgender or intersex students, and a high percentage of LGBT students in general if they felt more comfortable getting used to campus life with that support) , and as such our staff team in particular had to receive a lot of training about LGBT issues so that we could better direct them to campus resources, help them get adjusted to campus life, etc. We had to get training for all sorts of topics but transgender issues were some of them. A few of the students were transgendered.

From what I observed, they were generally accepted by people that are well educated in general, or more empathetic and understanding, or just more knowledgeable about the issue overall. But less kind individuals would sometimes tell jokes or say some rather hateful things. Some people at my current workplace made fun of Lana Wachowski (director of the Matrix and other movies with her brother) around the office when she announced that she transitioned to female.

This is in the theological concepts section, so were you looking for a religious perspective? I was raised in a combination of Catholic and New Age beliefs. When I was religious I'm not even sure I knew what transgenderism was, but generally speaking, the 'official' Catholic position on most LGBT issues is that actions are wrong like homosexual sex or sex-change operations, though Catholics as a group will differ. New Age religious groups are usually pretty liberal on all sorts of things so they're generally more accepting of transgenderism and other LGBT persons. Religions around the world all have different perspectives on LGBT topics and adherents of those religions will be further divided on them generally based on their culture, education, experiences, etc. At my mother's New Age church they're 100% supportive of all LGBT members and it's a non-issue.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
A woman who was once sexually interested in me became a man. Despite the change in sex, however, she retained her original sexual orientation. That is, she went from being a heterosexual woman to being a homosexual man.
 

Rhynni

Member
I know the actions are wrong. I try to live by "hate the sin, not the sinner". But its not the churchs position to judge people. so do you think they are accepted in as they should be?
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
I know the actions are wrong. I try to live by "hate the sin, not the sinner". But its not the churchs position to judge people. so do you think they are accepted in as they should be?

How can the actions be wrong?

It is a medical condition that your body doesn't match who you are.
There is no action about it.

Maya
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
My best childhood friend started transitioning from male to female at about 16-17 years old. At first one or two members of her family refused to have anything to do with her, especially contact with the nieces and nephews. Eventually they came to accept it. Years later I heard through a third party that she was living and working as a woman, content in who she is.

As for religion, mine, Hinduism has nothing to say theologically on homosexuality or transgender. Anything about it is cultural, a legacy of Muslim and British occupations of south Asia. India has what's called the third gender, hijras. On the other hand, Buddhism which I am only recently coming to adopt elements of, has some injunctions against homosexuality, and probably transgender by extension, though I do not know for sure.
 

Rhynni

Member
dont know how to quote because im still new
how can the actions be wrong?
The action of mutilating your body. getting the actual procedure done. is wrong.

i can understand them not wanting her around younger children because they simply dont unerstand
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
The action of mutilating your body. getting the actual procedure done. is wrong.

Why?

i can understand them not wanting her around younger children because they simply dont unerstand

Then explain it to them at the level they can understand. It was their own prejudice that made them sever ties with her. If a child comes to mommy or daddy with a question about sex, do you make up stork stories, or change the subject or do you explain at the child's level?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The action of mutilating your body. getting the actual procedure done. is wrong.
How is it mutilating the body? It is surgically altering certain body parts, but in most cases patients show tremendous improvements in mental health afterwards. Many go from hating life and themselves (mirrors are often times bitter enemies with a transsexual still struggling with themselves and their identity) and wishing they were dead/never born to being able to be at peace with themselves.

i can understand them not wanting her around younger children because they simply dont unerstand
That is not at all understandable because younger children are often the most understanding and accepting of people and they tend to be some of the best learners around. Sure a child will ask many, many, many questions in regards to someone changing their sex, especially to the person doing so, but that is only because children are very curious by nature and once their curiosities are satisfied they will see a transsexual as just another person who is also different like anyone else.
 
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Maya3

Well-Known Member
dont know how to quote because im still new

It's easy at the beginning of a sentence you want to quote put [ ] and put the word quote inside. I can't write it above because I would just make a quote.
At the end you do the same [ ] but you add this / in front of the word quote inside the brackets.

The action of mutilating your body. getting the actual procedure done. is wrong.

If there is something wrong with your body there are a lot of times when you have to correct things. You can read about some of the physical causes of transgenderism here:
Causes of transsexualism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


i can understand them not wanting her around younger children because they simply dont unerstand

As a child care professional I can tell you that all you need to do is explain it to them at their level just as Jaynaryan said.
There is nothing to it. It is adults that make it a big deal. Children take cues from their grown ups and if the grown up is making a big deal about something they will learn to prejudge.
If the child's grown ups are matter of fact by explaining the reasons in a way that is age appropriate there is nothing to worry about.

Maya
 

Rhynni

Member
How is it mutilating the body?
I believe, being raise with catholic beliefs, that God makes no mistakes. Everyone has a cross to bear. The same way that being gay is okay as long as you dont act on it, wanting to be the opposite sex is fine but destroying the body which is a gift from God is not. In my opinion

There is nothing to it.
okay i meant like 18-20. to me thats still a child
 

Maya3

Well-Known Member
I believe, being raise with catholic beliefs, that God makes no mistakes. Everyone has a cross to bear. The same way that being gay is okay as long as you dont act on it, wanting to be the opposite sex is fine but destroying the body which is a gift from God is not. In my opinion

Destroying the body? How would you destroy the body from loving someone else?


okay i meant like 18-20. to me thats still a child

Well then it's even easier, 18 to 20 year olds are able to process the same information as any other adult so then you just explain the facts. Though most likely they have already googled it.

Maya
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe, being raise with catholic beliefs, that God makes no mistakes.

Who says they're mistakes? That's a human judgment. Matthew 7:1-2 (odd coming from a Hinduddhist, eh?).
 

Rhynni

Member
Destroying the body? How would you destroy the body from loving someone else?
im confused about loving someone. im talking about gender changes

Who says they're mistakes? That's a human judgment. Matthew 7:1-2 (odd coming from a Hinduddhist, eh?).
You misunderstand. she says there was a mistake. not me
 

Rhynni

Member
Well then it's even easier, 18 to 20 year olds are able to process the same information as any other adult so then you just explain the facts. Though most likely they have already googled it.

Not about facts. about dealing with the decision
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The decision to have the kind of body that is needed to seek their happiness?

It looks like you are expecting a problem to exist where there is none.
 

Rhynni

Member
Then explain it to them at the level they can understand. It was their own prejudice that made them sever ties with her. If a child comes to mommy or daddy with a question about sex, do you make up stork stories, or change the subject or do you explain at the child's level?

Depends on how old the child is. a five year old simply does not need to kno about sex. they repeat everything they hear and if theyre at school and other kids hear it would be diastrous. Again in my opinion. Im not a parent. I do however know that i would not like my child to get "the talk" from another five year old.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
You misunderstand. she says there was a mistake. not me

Ok, understood.

Though I still don't see any mistake. I do not believe God made a mistake in creating me gay. Well, in my beliefs God did not create me as understood by western religions. I'm a product of my past lives' karma, and my dharma (duty, path) in this life. Similarly I don't believe that any mistake was made (by Whomever or Whatever) in creating someone as they are, whether transgender, gay, born with cerebral palsy, missing limbs, etc. People are all too quick to blame God, y'know?
 
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