Transphobia

[Kfox]

"Phobia" as a suffix to a word to denote bigoted, hateful or prejudicial attitudes towards a particular thing has been a standard part of the English language for decades.

Don't be obtuse.

If Phobia is a word to denote bigotry, then it has is to be used against all bigotry; IOW not just Trans-Phobia, & Xenophobia, but also Christian phobia, atheist phobia, republican phobia, and everything else. Sorry! ya can’t have it both ways.

 

[Ella S.]

"Phobia" means aversion, not just fear. "Hydrophobic" is used to describe substances that are difficult to get wet, for instance.

If you're talking about transgender people and you're ignoring all of the findings in medical science regarding the best ways to treat gender dysphoria, even after being told about them or given studies on them, then you are knowingly advocating for their harm.

That would make you transphobic, as in, averse towards transgender people.

 

[Ella S.]

I like your description "folk beliefs", which I think gets closer to the real attitudes and prejudices people have than "phobia", which implies an actual psychiatric disorder.

It's ridiculous: nobody really thinks someone who is prejudiced against, say, black people or homosexuals is suffering from a psychiatric disorder. People with phobias need sympathy and understanding - and medical treatment.

Ignorance can be an excuse. Wilful ignorance is a prejudice. Saying "transgenderism is a satanic ideology" is hate speech.

Using illegal means to undermine trans activism, or to harm someone for being trans, is a hate crime.

 

[HonestJoe]

If Phobia is a word to denote bigotry, then it has is to be used against all bigotry; IOW not just Trans-Phobia, & Xenophobia, but also Christian phobia, atheist phobia, republican phobia, and everything else. Sorry! ya can’t have it both ways.

Those words could be used but that doesn't mean they have to be when there are other words or phrases commonly used for the same things.

Language and etymology isn't always logical, especially in English. There are all sorts of word forms that are commonly used in varied or inconsistent ways. Ultimately, it isn't something that can be strictly enforced and ultimately, it is determined by how people actually use words, regardless of how we'd like them to be used.

After all, there is nothing we can do to stop people saying "less" when they mean "fewer".

 

[exchemist]

Ignorance can be an excuse. Wilful ignorance is a prejudice. Saying "transgenderism is a satanic ideology" is hate speech.

Using illegal means to undermine trans activism, or to harm someone for being trans, is a hate crime.

Er, yes. Of course.

However, being opposed, say, to putting self-described trans "women", who have not have the operation, in a women's prison would not be "phobic", it seems to me.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If Phobia is a word to denote bigotry, then it has is to be used against all bigotry; IOW not just Trans-Phobia, & Xenophobia, but also Christian phobia, atheist phobia, republican phobia, and everything else. Sorry! ya can’t have it both ways.

You mean, that way that language has never worked, ever?

Also, Christophobia and atheophobia are commonly used words.

If you want a language that exclusively only uses certain suffixes or prefixes rather than a variety that can mean the same or similar things, then your issue isn't with people using certain terms. Your problem is just with the English language.

 

[Kfox]

You mean, that way that language has never worked, ever?

If you want a language that exclusively only uses certain suffixes or prefixes rather than a variety that can mean the same or similar things, then your issue isn't with people using certain terms. Your problem is just with the English language.

No, my problem is with people who pick and choose when to use words out of context, and they only apply them to words according to their agenda, then other people hear the word used that way and parrot what they hear till eventually it becomes every day usage. The English language becomes inconsistent that way because people like that make it inconsistent.

 

[Kfox]

Those words could be used but that doesn't mean they have to be when there are other words or phrases commonly used for the same things.

The same can be said for Trans phobia and Xeno phobia, but for whatever reason; people do use those words that way.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No, my problem is with people who pick and choose when to use words out of context, and they only apply them to words according to their agenda, then other people hear the word used that way and parrot what they hear till eventually it becomes every day usage. The English language becomes inconsistent that way because people like that make it inconsistent.

Are you serious? You think certain words and phrases you don't like become popular because people have an "agenda"? You don't think it could possibly be because all of these words have a Latin origin?

"Those pesky, woke, Ancient Greeks and their pro-trans agenda!"

Believe it or not, no. Certain words and phrases do not enter the common lexicon purely to annoy you. You are not the centre of the world.

It's just words. Get over it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The same can be said for Trans phobia and Xeno phobia, but for whatever reason; people do use those words that way.

Okay, what commonly used words of phrases exist that mean the same thing as either transphobia or xenophobia?

 

[Kfox]

If you're talking about transgender people and you're ignoring all of the findings in medical science regarding the best ways to treat gender dysphoria, even after being told about them or given studies on them, then you are knowingly advocating for their harm.

No it does not. Just because you might disagree with what many sociologists say about gender dysphoria, does not mean you are advocating for their harm. BTW medical science is based on biology, gender dysphoria is based on social sciences, not the natural sciences.

 

[Kfox]

Okay, what commonly used words of phrases exist that mean the same thing as either transphobia or xenophobia?

Hatred, disapproval, dislike, etc.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Hatred, disapproval, dislike, etc.

No, I said words that mean the same thing as "transphobia" and "xenophobia". Do you know any?

 

[Kfox]

No, I said words that mean the same thing as "transphobia" and "xenophobia". Do you know any?

Anti-trans, anti-xeno anti-republican, anti-democrat.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Anti-trans, anti-xeno anti-republican, anti-democrat.

Once again, no. They do not mean the same as "transphobia" and "xenophobia". Something can be "anti-" something while not necessarily being bigoted or prejudiced against said thing.

 

[wellwisher]

"Phobia" as a suffix to a word to denote bigoted, hateful or prejudicial attitudes towards a particular thing has been a standard part of the English language for decades.

Don't be obtuse.

This is part of a language game scam developed by the Left over many decades. They make up new words, to support irrational and even unscientific causes. Other words are then used to make those who disagree, seem like they are the ones with a medical problem. The inflation act had more to do with green energy; word decoy game.

For example, the acclaimed Evolutionary Biologists Richard Dawkins has very recently stated that there are only two sexes. He is loved by the Atheists since he uses science first and is not religious. The current word game, has transgender defined as natural; pseudo science. If you do not go along with this subjective conclusion, it is a pathology or a phobia. One is punished for staying objective via the Lefty word scam.

But in reality, an eminent Evolutionary and Genetic expert; tons of long term data, says that this behavior is the real pathology; subjective. It does not exist as a scientific based genetic hard reality. The goal of the word game is for subjective, to be called objective, and a natural objective reaction against artificial, to be called pathological. It messes with the brain. We need to push back since we are not addressing the real problems and con artists you are fooling the youth. Children need to be taught how to be rational and critical thinkers and not just herd animals following fads as part of a shady agenda.

The term homophobic, never made any sense to me, since why would anyone be afraid of gays and lesbians, since they are mostly nice people, who are often eccentric but creative and fun loving. I always had a more of a smile and humor reaction and always felt comfortable with other creative people. It was never about any objective measure of fear. However, the Left gave me a pseudo-science diagnosis, using their word scam. My reaction to science and evolutionary arguments was label as pathological fear. But it really implied if I do not go along with the Lefty agenda, I had a pathology. I am way beyond therapy and being self actualized. I know fear from common sense. However, they have been quite successful all the way to illegal censorship in government. The crooks found a legal way to steal in the open; using legal language games. That is another story.

The bigger problem is, many dictionaries and search engines are run by Liberals and they are willing accomplishes to the scam. They will reinforce the words of the game, by placing these bad science definitions, near the top of definition lists, as though this is organic and not just a word scam being propped up for search engines. The Left used(s) robots and algorithms to systematically repeat, its own buzz words, over and over, to bump them up to the top of the Goggle and many Dictionary search and relevant lists. You look it up and assume scholarly/objective, but it is there by scam design.

The mistake that the good people make is taking a defensive position, out of respect and out of objectivity, until all the data is in. Many will even accept being called phobic, to make it fair for the "oppressed". Many on the Right, accept the phobia just in case they over judge. The Left does not pause but always goes on offensive and dominates the game that way. While you pause to be open minded, they run over you. They do not care about you, as much as you care about them, since they do not hesitate to get you, while you pause to soul search. Your good nature is used as a weakness by those who run the game.

It is hard to come together as a nation and world when one side is running word scams. Have you ever notice that all the censored words on social media benefits the Left. This advantage is by design. Either both sides should do it, or nobody can do it. We need one set of rules that apply to all; either free speech or equal number of censored words. Just because the Right complains less does not make it hurt less. This who complain all the time; Left, tend to over do it.

 

[Ella S.]

Er, yes. Of course.

However, being opposed, say, to putting self-described trans "women", who have not have the operation, in a women's prison would not be "phobic", it seems to me.

I just came out of a thread ("Transgenderism") with users who were adamant that transgender people are all inherently evil and Satanic due to being perversions of nature. Another user in that thread said that hate against trans people is understandable and that trans people corrupt truth. Another user advocated for the central narrative of conversion therapy.

So if you agree that this sort of discourse is prejudicial and even dips into hate speech, then I would like you to keep in mind that hate is platformed on this very forum. Not everyone being accused of being transphobic is merely "asking questions" or misinformed by "folk beliefs." Actual transphobes love that narrative because it gives them a smokescreen to hide behind.

Please be more careful.

 

[exchemist]

I just came out of a thread ("Transgenderism") with users who were adamant that transgender people are all inherently evil and Satanic due to being perversions of nature. Another user in that thread said that hate against trans people is understandable and that trans people corrupt truth. Another user advocated for the central narrative of conversion therapy.

So if you agree that this sort of discourse is prejudicial and even dips into hate speech, then I would like you to keep in mind that hate is platformed on this very forum. Not everyone being accused of being transphobic is merely "asking questions" or misinformed by "folk beliefs." Actual transphobes love that narrative because it gives them a smokescreen to hide behind.

Please be more careful.

I think it is you that needs to be careful here. The points you make may well be true, but have no bearing on the point I was trying to make, which is that a distinction needs to be drawn between hate speech and prejudice on the one hand and reasonable discussion of the issues presented by the sex change phenomenon on the other. If people full of hatred or prejudice hide behind fair discussion that is a shame, but is in no way an argument for curtailing such discussion. As for what is "platformed" here, I am not a moderator. I have not seen the hate speech you refer to, but I tend to keep away from identity politics, which as a rule I dislike, so I would not necessarily have seen it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Er, yes. Of course.

However, being opposed, say, to putting self-described trans "women", who have not have the operation, in a women's prison would not be "phobic", it seems to me.

I would say calling trans women a "self-described trans "women"" would be pretty -phobic, yeah. As would requiring them to undergo gender corrective surgery, or to necessarily imply that being trans and having "the operation" need be synonymous, or implying that trans women somehow intrinsically pose a threat to cis women in prison.

Yes, I'd say those are transphobic statements.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I would say calling trans women a "self-described trans "women"" would be pretty -phobic, yeah. As would requiring them to undergo gender corrective surgery, or to necessarily imply that being trans and having "the operation" need be synonymous, or implying that trans women somehow intrinsically pose a threat to cis women in prison.

Yes, I'd say those are transphobic statements. And I would say that when Ella told you to "be careful" they were being exceptionally generous to you, and you should take that advice.

This is a relatively new phenomenon, the entire transgender acceptance and activism being inputted into our society and laws. There is bound to be confusion. You can’t point the finger at those who suggest trans women shouldn’t be allowed in cis women’s prisons or sports and call them transphobic. It isn’t a simple matter and there’s a lot to take into consideration. Do you think people who hold these views are holding them because they hate transgender folks?