Transsexualism

[nekoboy]

So, what is your opinion?

My opinion is that transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are. You were born a guy, you are a guy, no matter what. I was personally a gender-confused boy, but I decided, screw this, I'm a guy, so I will be a guy. I mean, people consider Otherkin crazy, but if people can't accept themselves for the gender they were born as, how can anyone else be expected to accept themselves as human?

 

[dawny0826]

I think that some people simply do not identify as their "assigned" gender and if they find peace and wholeness in pursuing a life being who they are, however they define that...then they should be able to do that, without judgement.

I have a great deal of love in my heart for the transgender community. The pain that many face, especially those that do go through hormonal therapy, srs - particularly without the support of family and with financial challenges that many face...it can be devastating.

It's important for people to be at peace with their identity as a whole and to feel loved for who they are as a whole. Society makes that too hard, sometimes.

 

[nekoboy]

I think that some people simply do not identify as their "assigned" gender and if they find peace and wholeness in pursuing a life being who they are, however they define that...then they should be able to do that, without judgement.

I have a great deal of love in my heart for the transgender community. The pain that many face, especially those that do go through hormonal therapy, srs - particularly without the support of family and with financial challenges that many face...it can be devastating.

It's important for people to be at peace with their identity as a whole and to feel loved for who they are as a whole. Society makes that too hard, sometimes.

While it is true that you decide who you are, choice is a two way street. I do my best to show respect to the LGBT community, but I personally believe that people still have a choice, even over their own tendencies. I personally have struggled with autism, which many have suggested is neurological in nature, but my parents refused to give up on me. They knew that I could grow up to be a functional member of society, and thanks to their hard work (and plenty of emotional stress on my part), I'm a better person. When people say "I was born that way" I respond "Yeah, maybe you are. You still have a choice, and it is a two way street."

And besides, sometimes I wish I was my fursona. Maybe I could have some surgery done to change my species? :3

 

[Sunstone]

My opinion is that transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are.

I think you've got it 180 degrees backwards. Transsexualism, to me, usually amounts to an acceptance of yourself as you are.

 

[nekoboy]

I think you've got it 180 degrees backwards. Transsexualism, to me, usually amounts to an acceptance of yourself as you are.

I guess I should accept who I truly am, then. I'm an anthropomorphic cat stuck in a human's body! Yeah! I guess I don't have to accept the fact that I am human. My soul is a cat, fool! [/sarcasm]

 

[dawny0826]

While it is true that you decide who you are, choice is a two way street. I do my best to show respect to the LGBT community, but I personally believe that people still have a choice, even over their own tendencies. I personally have struggled with autism, which many have suggested is neurological in nature, but my parents refused to give up on me. They knew that I could grow up to be a functional member of society, and thanks to their hard work (and plenty of emotional stress on my part), I'm a better person. When people say "I was born that way" I respond "Yeah, maybe you are. You still have a choice, and it is a two way street."

I agree with you. And I think that you make a great point. You do have a choice as to how you follow through with your thoughts, feelings and tendencies.

However, for those who struggle and choose to embrace their identity, I believe they shouldn't have to face the painful obstacles that are placed in their way, often with such cruelty.

I happened upon, by accident actually, several individuals on youtube who were in the process of transitioning. Their stories have been such inspiration to me and have helped me understand so much that I didn't understand before about the struggles within not just the transgender community but the GBLQ communities as well. I think it important to learn about the struggles of other Americans, even if their struggles do not directly impact me.

I can want happiness for these people, even if I don't know them personally. And these are people who are simply trying to live life as...THEMSELVES, in the pursuit of their own happiness and dreams.

So yes, I acknowledge that regardless of your sexuality or gender identity, you have a choice as to what you choose to do...but why wouldn't you want happiness for yourself? And why wouldn't you want happiness for others? You can't impose your choices and beliefs upon others.

 

[Alex_G]

So, what is your opinion?

My opinion is that transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are. You were born a guy, you are a guy, no matter what. I was personally a gender-confused boy, but I decided, screw this, I'm a guy, so I will be a guy. I mean, people consider Otherkin crazy, but if people can't accept themselves for the gender they were born as, how can anyone else be expected to accept themselves as human?

I tend to agree with Sunstone. Remember gender and sex are not synonymous. When you say that person is a 'man' ask yourself what you actually mean?

Theres a condition called androgen insensitivity. That is the person has a genetic defect that causes them to have a complete insensitivity to the effects of testosterone. Genetic males are thus under the effect of unopposed oetrogen, and get born looking like girls. They tend to get picked up in the teenage years for failure to start menstruation. They are of course infertile too. These people tend to be very feminine, and from the outside completely indistinguishable from females. Often very beautiful. They've grown up girls, their gender is female. Do you think that its right to insist these people are 'men', just because they are genetically 'xy'? To judge them as somehow weak and not able to accept who they truly are? Genetics only partly defines who we are.

 

[nekoboy]

I agree with you. And I think that you make a great point. You do have a choice as to how you follow through with your thoughts, feelings and tendencies.

However, for those who struggle and choose to embrace their identity, I believe they shouldn't have to face the painful obstacles that are placed in their way, often with such cruelty.

I happened upon, by accident actually, several individuals on youtube who were in the process of transitioning. Their stories have been such inspiration to me and have helped me understand so much that I didn't understand before about the struggles within not just the transgender community but the GBLQ communities as well. I think it important to learn about the struggles of other Americans, even if their struggles do not directly impact me.

I can want happiness for these people, even if I don't know them personally. And these are people who are simply trying to live life as...THEMSELVES, in the pursuit of their own happiness and dreams.

So yes, I acknowledge that regardless of your sexuality or gender identity, you have a choice as to what you choose to do...but why wouldn't you want happiness for yourself? And why wouldn't you want happiness for others? You can't impose your choices and beliefs upon others.

"Happiness" is kind of being misused here. Would I be happier if my parents decided to let me be the way I was when I was a kid? Remove all the painful little obstacles that would have IMPROVED ME AS A PERSON? Let me stay a socially awkward little urchin for the rest of my life? I probably had it ingrained in my brain, but it wasn't set in stone. You are talking about short term happiness, not long term happiness, whether it is the rest of your life, or throughout eternity.

I have had other struggles throughout my life, and it is pretty insulting to have someone tell me or somebody else to accept themselves the way they are when I worked so hard to become a better person. In other words, becoming a person that I wasn't to begin with. The purest metal is the one put through the hottest furnace.

Your identity is not determined by your personality, unless you act on those traits, either bad or good. If I acted on every single personality trait I had, I would probably be dead. I will always be autistic, but at least I'm improving as a person instead of being content with being who I was. Shouldn't we aspire to be something MORE? It is very good to have self esteem, but when it impedes personal progress, that is when it needs to STOP.

Yes, we need to love and respect other people, and help them through their hardships, but that is no excuse to impede someone else's personal progress and sense of control. Convincing someone that they are a slave to their personality, temptations, etc will handicap them for life unless someone snaps them out of it. Every spiritual son and daughter of God has great potential, and I have little respect for anyone who states otherwise. And like I said, choice is a two way street. You can either wallow in self pity and remain the same, mediocre human being you are, or you can strive to do something more and acomplish great things, despite your circumstances.

From The Family: A Proclamation to the world:

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

 

[dawny0826]

"Happiness" is kind of being misused here. Would I be happier if my parents decided to let me be the way I was when I was a kid? Remove all the painful little obstacles that would have IMPROVED ME AS A PERSON? Let me stay a socially awkward little urchin for the rest of my life? I probably had it ingrained in my brain, but it wasn't set in stone. You are talking about short term happiness, not long term happiness, whether it is the rest of your life, or throughout eternity.

I have had other struggles throughout my life, and it is pretty insulting to have someone tell me or somebody else to accept themselves the way they are when I worked so hard to become a better person. In other words, becoming a person that I wasn't to begin with. The purest metal is the one put through the hottest furnace.

Your identity is not determined by your personality, unless you act on those traits, either bad or good. If I acted on every single personality trait I had, I would probably be dead. I will always be autistic, but at least I'm improving as a person instead of being content with being who I was. Shouldn't we aspire to be something MORE? It is very good to have self esteem, but when it impedes personal progress, that is when it needs to STOP.

Yes, we need to love and respect other people, and help them through their hardships, but that is no excuse to impede someone else's personal progress and sense of control. Convincing someone that they are a slave to their personality, temptations, etc will handicap them for life unless someone snaps them out of it. Every spiritual son and daughter of God has great potential, and I have little respect for anyone who states otherwise. And like I said, choice is a two way street. You can either wallow in self pity and remain the same, mediocre human being you are, or you can strive to do something more and acomplish great things, despite your circumstances.

From The Family: A Proclamation to the world:

I understand what you're saying and respect your choices. Not all will understand what you're saying here. You have a powerful testimony.

But, every individual must make their own choices. I can't determine the path of another and it would be shameful for me to try to do so.

 

[nekoboy]

I understand what you're saying and respect your choices. Not all will understand what you're saying here. You have a powerful testimony.

But, every individual must make their own choices. I can't determine the path of another and it would be shameful for me to try to do so.

I actually agree with this partially. My only point was that people ignore the fact that choice is a two way street, and that people have control over their actions. Thank you for this discussion. :3

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

"Happiness" is kind of being misused here. Would I be happier if my parents decided to let me be the way I was when I was a kid? Remove all the painful little obstacles that would have IMPROVED ME AS A PERSON?

There is a big difference between behavior therapies for Autism and sex identity and orientation.

There is hard science that treatment modalities like floor time and ABA therapy work on Autism, it improves the life of the individual and is helpful in living a happy productive life.

The opposite is true when it comes to any type of therapeutic intervention for sexual orientation and identity. These have been shown to not work and even damage the person. Things like reparative therapy not only don't work but cause more suffering in peoples lives.

 

[nekoboy]

I personally believe that God helped me overcome my trials, and I believe that one can receive divine help when overcoming homosexuality. Nothing is set in stone, not even sexual orientation. People turn gay, they may be born gay, but it is not set in stone. I will be autistic for the rest of my life, but I don't use it as an excuse to fail in life. Even if a gay never changes, it doesn't matter, as long as he did what he could. It doesn't matter if you are gay, bi, or straight. What does matter is what you do with it.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I personally believe that God helped me overcome my trials, and I believe that one can receive divine help when overcoming homosexuality. Nothing is set in stone, not even sexual orientation. People turn gay, they may be born gay, but it is not set in stone. I will be autistic for the rest of my life, but I don't use it as an excuse to fail in life. Even if a gay never changes, it doesn't matter, as long as he did what he could. It doesn't matter if you are gay, bi, or straight. What does matter is what you do with it.

I am glad you feel Gods support. I feel Gods support in accepting others as they are. I have no problems with Gay folks. As long as we are all good neighbors on this small planet of ours. I say live and let live. This is my faith, and the teaching of my sect of Hinduism.

 

[connermt]

So, what is your opinion?

My opinion is that transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are. You were born a guy, you are a guy, no matter what. I was personally a gender-confused boy, but I decided, screw this, I'm a guy, so I will be a guy. I mean, people consider Otherkin crazy, but if people can't accept themselves for the gender they were born as, how can anyone else be expected to accept themselves as human?

Everyone's different. Everyone has a different POV; different experiences & situations; differing cultures; etc.
It's difficult to pin down an exact RIGHT or WRONG for everyone with so many variables involved.
The facts are that people are born "normal" (status quo) and "abnormal" (non status quo and/or with mental and physical disabilities/differences, etc).
People are born with inate desires that develope over time: some hate green beans, some love the color pink so much everything they own is pink, some like boys, some like girls and some both girls and boys, etc.
It's up to the individual to decide what's right for them. Once that decision's made, they should work on making themselves happy with their decision. Once that's been made, how much people accept them (or not) will have less of an impact on the individual.

 

[nekoboy]

Everyone's different. Everyone has a different POV; different experiences & situations; differing cultures; etc.
It's difficult to pin down an exact RIGHT or WRONG for everyone with so many variables involved.
The facts are that people are born "normal" (status quo) and "abnormal" (non status quo and/or with mental and physical disabilities/differences, etc).
People are born with inate desires that develope over time: some hate green beans, some love the color pink so much everything they own is pink, some like boys, some like girls and some both girls and boys, etc.
It's up to the individual to decide what's right for them. Once that decision's made, they should work on making themselves happy with their decision. Once that's been made, how much people accept them (or not) will have less of an impact on the individual.

I partially agree with this, actually.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I personally believe that God helped me overcome my trials, and I believe that one can receive divine help when overcoming homosexuality. Nothing is set in stone, not even sexual orientation. People turn gay, they may be born gay, but it is not set in stone. I will be autistic for the rest of my life, but I don't use it as an excuse to fail in life. Even if a gay never changes, it doesn't matter, as long as he did what he could. It doesn't matter if you are gay, bi, or straight. What does matter is what you do with it.

Why do you think people should overcome homosexuality instead of embracing it? There are many cultures throughout history that have had no problems with their homosexual citizens. It is only the Abrahamic religions that demand homosexuals reject their natural state. Do you believe that your God's decrees should be followed by all people regardless of their beliefs?

 

[nekoboy]

Why do you think people should overcome homosexuality instead of embracing it? There are many cultures throughout history that have had no problems with their homosexual citizens. It is only the Abrahamic religions that demand homosexuals reject their natural state. Do you believe that your God's decrees should be followed by all people regardless of their beliefs?

I think it should be overcome because I believe that heterosexual marriage is a sacred ideal. I cannot stop a homosexual from deciding not to do this, and embrace his desires, but I will not support his decision either.

 

[Kerr]

While it is true that you decide who you are, choice is a two way street. I do my best to show respect to the LGBT community, but I personally believe that people still have a choice, even over their own tendencies. I personally have struggled with autism, which many have suggested is neurological in nature, but my parents refused to give up on me. They knew that I could grow up to be a functional member of society, and thanks to their hard work (and plenty of emotional stress on my part), I'm a better person. When people say "I was born that way" I respond "Yeah, maybe you are. You still have a choice, and it is a two way street."

And besides, sometimes I wish I was my fursona. Maybe I could have some surgery done to change my species? :3

In what way would that be an argument against being transsexual? They are making their choice after all, and while I do not understand that choice, neither do I understand why it would be any worse then to choose to be "normal".

 

[connermt]

I think it should be overcome because I believe that heterosexual marriage is a sacred ideal. I cannot stop a homosexual from deciding not to do this, and embrace his desires, but I will not support his decision either.

Then would you also support the ideal of illegal divorce with the exception of biblical reasons?
Or marrying for money?
Or those Las Vegas "quickie" marriage?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So, what is your opinion?

My opinion is that transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are. You were born a guy, you are a guy, no matter what. I was personally a gender-confused boy, but I decided, screw this, I'm a guy, so I will be a guy. I mean, people consider Otherkin crazy, but if people can't accept themselves for the gender they were born as, how can anyone else be expected to accept themselves as human?

I see no issues with LGB or T. :yes: