Transsexualism

[Dirty Penguin]

I personally believe that people still have a choice, even over their own tendencies.

But you'd be wrong.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I guess I should accept who I truly am, then. I'm an anthropomorphic cat stuck in a human's body! Yeah! I guess I don't have to accept the fact that I am human. My soul is a cat, fool! [/sarcasm]

Awesome..!

Meow....

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I think it should be overcome because I believe that heterosexual marriage is a sacred ideal. I cannot stop a homosexual from deciding not to do this, and embrace his desires, but I will not support his decision either.

Why should anyone care what you believe or support?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

People turn gay, they may be born gay, but it is not set in stone.

Sorry but this makes no sense. If you're born gay then you're gay. Some are born hetero. Some are born bi.

It doesn't matter if you are gay, bi, or straight. What does matter is what you do with it.

But that is who that person is and to deviate is unnatural (IMO).

 

[Kerr]

I think it should be overcome because I believe that heterosexual marriage is a sacred ideal. I cannot stop a homosexual from deciding not to do this, and embrace his desires, but I will not support his decision either.

Do you believe homosexuals are really hetrosexuals? Because if you dont then you are contradicting your earlier point about accepting who you truly are.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I think it should be overcome because I believe that heterosexual marriage is a sacred ideal. I cannot stop a homosexual from deciding not to do this, and embrace his desires, but I will not support his decision either.

Once again...these are not "desires" or "decisions"....This is reality.

 

[connermt]

Then would you also support the ideal of illegal divorce with the exception of biblical reasons?
Or marrying for money?
Or those Las Vegas "quickie" marriage?

Bump for an answer

 

[nekoboy]

Do you believe homosexuals are really hetrosexuals? Because if you dont then you are contradicting your earlier point about accepting who you truly are.

I believe that sexual preferences are malleable. I can say this from personal experience. Who you are is completely your decision. It is not however you were born, your genes, or even your disabilities. Who you are is determined by what you do despite everything else, including your own tendencies, temptations, and weaknesses.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I believe that sexual preferences are malleable. I can say this from personal experience. Who you are is completely your decision. It is not however you were born, your genes, or even your disabilities. Who you are is determined by what you do despite everything else, including your own tendencies, temptations, and weaknesses.

I believe you are wrong. As I asked before, what makes what you believe any better than what someone else believes? Are you a psychologist? Have you studied Human Sexuality? Unless you can offer a reason your opinion is special then it is just another opinion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I guess I should accept who I truly am, then. I'm an anthropomorphic cat stuck in a human's body! Yeah! I guess I don't have to accept the fact that I am human. My soul is a cat, fool! [/sarcasm]

So because you don't get to be what you want to be, nobody should?

Sounds like sour grapes, IMO.

 

[Penumbra]

So, what is your opinion?

That society should advance culturally to make it less difficult for transsexual people to walk the path that already has a rather large share of challenges for them.

My opinion is that transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are. You were born a guy, you are a guy, no matter what. I was personally a gender-confused boy, but I decided, screw this, I'm a guy, so I will be a guy. I mean, people consider Otherkin crazy, but if people can't accept themselves for the gender they were born as, how can anyone else be expected to accept themselves as human?

I'd say the exact opposite; that transsexualism is them specifically accepting who they are on the inside. And that the opposite, like trying to hide it or just live unhappily for decades, is the approach that isn't as strong or honest.

If I meet an openly transsexual person, then I already feel a bit impressed at their willingness to be themselves despite what a subset of society would have to say about it. Rather courageous as far as I can tell.

I actually agree with this partially. My only point was that people ignore the fact that choice is a two way street, and that people have control over their actions. Thank you for this discussion. :3

And many of them choose to exercise their control by living happier lives in the sex that matches their gender.

They pursue their eudaimonia, which is great in my book.

I personally believe that God helped me overcome my trials, and I believe that one can receive divine help when overcoming homosexuality. Nothing is set in stone, not even sexual orientation. People turn gay, they may be born gay, but it is not set in stone. I will be autistic for the rest of my life, but I don't use it as an excuse to fail in life. Even if a gay never changes, it doesn't matter, as long as he did what he could. It doesn't matter if you are gay, bi, or straight. What does matter is what you do with it.

This seems to come from the odd perspective that it's somehow not ok to be gay, that being gay is failing, or that being transsexual is failing.

But none of that ever seems to be supported by rational argumentation as far as I can tell.

 

[Kerr]

I believe that sexual preferences are malleable. I can say this from personal experience. Who you are is completely your decision. It is not however you were born, your genes, or even your disabilities. Who you are is determined by what you do despite everything else, including your own tendencies, temptations, and weaknesses.

I got ADHD and Asberger, I am well aware that our genes and disabilities doesnt define who we are. But that is irrelevant to the point, what I meant is that you cannot say that transsexuals need to accept who they are and then say homosexuals needs to change who they are. That is a contradiction. And that is when assuming sexuality can be changed the way you think. I am not sure it can.

 

[atropine]

...transsexualism is not accepting who you are inside, but instead a complete refusal to accept who you truly are. You were born a guy, you are a guy, no matter what. I was personally a gender-confused boy, but I decided, screw this, I'm a guy, so I will be a guy. I mean, people consider Otherkin crazy, but if people can't accept themselves for the gender they were born as, how can anyone else be expected to accept themselves as human?

First of all, there is a difference between sex and gender. Sex is the parts you were born with on the outside; gender is what your brain is wired to be. So frankly, transsexual people ARE accepting who they are on the inside. It's the OUTSIDE that is the problem. The current theory is that brains are wired in the womb, and sometimes, hormones fluctuate and wire the brain wrong. Science HAS proven that male and female brains are wired different.

Secondly, yes... Guys should be guys, and girls should be girls. Female-to-male people WERE born guys. Male-to-female people WERE born girls. They are simply trying to fix a medical condition where their bodies do not match their gender.

Third, I don't consider Otherkin people crazy. If someone feels that their SOUL (not their body) is a cat or that they were a donkey in a past life, that's their choice. But it is NOT the same, as transsexualism operates on a physical, medical level, not a spiritual one. People aren't NOT accepting the gender they were born as; they are accepting their gender and trying to live life as that gender, despite their SEX.

Also, autism is not the same thing. Autism is "a developmental disorder that appears in the first 3 years of life, and affects the brain's normal development of social and communication skills". It is not simply one's brain being wired as a different sex than it should be. Also, autism has different intensities; you might have it better than some people with autism, but not everyone with autism has it as good as you. Some people can't be better just by trying really hard and having supportive parents.

It's great that you figured out your own gender. It's great that you overcame adversity. That does not mean that you can apply YOUR experiences and conclusions to everyone else. If you wanted to be a genderqueer person, or wanted to be accepted as a cat in a person's body, I'd accept that. It's your identity. It's something no one else can tell you to be. So... why judge other people and their identity? It's not your place to decide.

I am transsexual. Do I have the "choice" to get surgery or take hormones? I suppose. But you know what? The suicide rate in the trans community is something like 41%. That is huge, and it is because people do not choose to be transsexual and feel like they are trapped. For many of us, TREATMENT for our CONDITION is not a choice. It's either get surgery, take hormones or both... or not live at all. I would have killed myself had I not gotten on hormones, flat out. Rather than do that, I started out on a journey where I had to fight to find doctors who would treat me, face ridicule at the hands of some doctors and strangers in general, get assaulted, and fight for my right to be who I really am.

Why should I be mocked or looked down on for who I am? Why should I be told "oh it's a choice" when it wasn't? Why should I be seen as weak or a failure?

I am striving to be more than I was. I am overcoming hardships. I am making progress. I have worked hard to get rid of self-pity. I am not the same mediocre human being I was before transition. Just because I am not doing it in a way you think I should do it doesn't mean I'm not doing it. I am healthier and happier than ever, as the man I am.

And honestly? I have come closer to my idea of God because of all this. Whoever made me, if anyone made me, chose this path for me to walk so that I could be an understanding, hopeful, compassionate and loving person.

Transsexualism isn't homosexuality, also. I hope you realize this. Transsexual people can be straight, gay, bi, asexual or anything else. And no, that's not something you can just make go away if you squeeze your eyes shut and wish really hard. Genes do not change, and if they set you down as one thing, then you can either accept it and make it work for you, or you can suppress it. But hey! If you can change what your genes have decreed, can you tell me the secret prayer to have God change my eye color? I'd really like green eyes, but these damn genes went and gave me brown ones.