Trilemma

[(Q)]

It is certainly not fair to discriminate against ones abuse of the English language.

It's more of a matter of how you percieve those who are too lazy to take the time and use it. If they're too lazy to learn English, then perhaps they're opinions are simply not worth reading.

 

[(Q)]

Evil must exist in order for good to exist; there can be no light without darkness, no warmth without cold.

One is merely the lack of the other - no big deal.

 

[Runt]

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[Mr Spinkles]

Ok, I realize this will offend many as sacreligious, but if I were God, here's what I would do:

I would use my almighty power to destroy all evil.
I would use my almighty power to maintain man's free will (this is not impossible for me to do, since I MAKE the rules in the first place).
The universe I have now created is perfect, end of story. No need to sit and suffer until judgement day.
Now that I've taken away man's ability to sin (I destroyed all evil, remember?) they can all live as happy free will beings and they ALL get to go to heaven, and I'm glad because I love my little creations so much. :love:

The fact that God doesn't do these things means he's not the just, loving being we make him out to be, which means he's not perfect, which means he's not God--which means God doesn't exist.

 

[Alaric]

Ahh, but is everything necessarily possible, even for a god? You assume you CAN maintain free will while still destroying evil. However, evil is just the name we use to judge certain acts, and there is no standard by which to measure it. Destroying evil would not be worth the price, imo. Of course, I have never been abused or starving or lost people to war etc, so it's easy for me to say, but not solving these things ourselves takes away from our humanity somehow. The abolition of evil is not an ultimate good.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Alaric--I don't believe in the stuff I said in my last post (like free will) I'm just trying to show theists how their arguments don't make sense when compared to each other.

Besides, if by taking away evil we created another evil (taking away from our humanity) then I (God) would not have taken away evil....but since I am (supposedly) all-powerful, I can do anything, even take away evil without creating more evil in its place. It may be illogical in your opinion, but I (God) have the power to decide what is logical.

Let's see if a theist can actually address the issues raised in my last post without compromising some of their own arguments...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I’m sure many of you are familiar with the trilemma, the logical fallacy inherent in one of the most common [Christian] definitions of theistic reality:

-God is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc.
-God is pure good
-Evil exists

A set of premises that cannot be reconciled with each other.

Good morning, BioMors.

I could certainly be wrong here, but I believe that the classic trilemma is "Jesus: Lord, Liar, or Lunatic?", as posed by CS Lewis. On the other hand, the question you've posed above is The Problem of Evil.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

jonjohn--

Everything you said in that last post was a claim which you haven't backed up by any observation or reasoning.

 

[BioMors]

Yeah.. when people use "u r" in their posts it can generally be gathered that they aren't putting much effort into formulating their thoughts.

His opinions are like many- the misconception that humans could have free will in the presence of an omniscient god.

He likley still believes that his god is omniscient and omnipotent, but doesn't realize that this means free will is impossible. Blaming everything on freewill and saying 'god can't interfere with free will or it wouldn't be free' is a fine copout for those whom logic forsakes.

 

[true blood]

Evil must exist in order for good to exist; there can be no light without darkness, no warmth without cold. (If this god is all-powerful, it doesn’t have to follow the rules because it makes the rules, truly being all good this being would not make up a rule that caused so much suffering)

I would agree with most of this however God is described in the bible as being a Just God as well as all-powerful so therefor if any rule was laid down he would abide by it.

But then again it is written that God will ultimately destroy all evil. hmm

I'm not so sure its fair to discriminate others for using "u" and "r" in their writing. Everyone should be able to lay out their words without being ridiculed, mocked or humiliated.

 

[(Q)]

It is certainly not fair to discriminate against ones abuse of the English language.

It's more of a matter of how you percieve those who are too lazy to take the time and use it. If they're too lazy to learn English, then perhaps they're opinions are simply not worth reading.

 

[(Q)]

Evil must exist in order for good to exist; there can be no light without darkness, no warmth without cold.

One is merely the lack of the other - no big deal.

 

[Runt]

***Mod Post***

Try to keep this on topic. Posts solely about another's ability to write in correct English do not respond to the subject and therefore have no place in this forum. If you want to complain about the use of correct English on this forum and its relation to the validity of other people's thoughts, make a new thread about it in the Off Topic forum. Any more comments about JJR's writing abilities will be deleted.

Thanks.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Ok, I realize this will offend many as sacreligious, but if I were God, here's what I would do:

I would use my almighty power to destroy all evil.
I would use my almighty power to maintain man's free will (this is not impossible for me to do, since I MAKE the rules in the first place).
The universe I have now created is perfect, end of story. No need to sit and suffer until judgement day.
Now that I've taken away man's ability to sin (I destroyed all evil, remember?) they can all live as happy free will beings and they ALL get to go to heaven, and I'm glad because I love my little creations so much. :love:

The fact that God doesn't do these things means he's not the just, loving being we make him out to be, which means he's not perfect, which means he's not God--which means God doesn't exist.

 

[Alaric]

Ahh, but is everything necessarily possible, even for a god? You assume you CAN maintain free will while still destroying evil. However, evil is just the name we use to judge certain acts, and there is no standard by which to measure it. Destroying evil would not be worth the price, imo. Of course, I have never been abused or starving or lost people to war etc, so it's easy for me to say, but not solving these things ourselves takes away from our humanity somehow. The abolition of evil is not an ultimate good.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Alaric--I don't believe in the stuff I said in my last post (like free will) I'm just trying to show theists how their arguments don't make sense when compared to each other.

Besides, if by taking away evil we created another evil (taking away from our humanity) then I (God) would not have taken away evil....but since I am (supposedly) all-powerful, I can do anything, even take away evil without creating more evil in its place. It may be illogical in your opinion, but I (God) have the power to decide what is logical.

Let's see if a theist can actually address the issues raised in my last post without compromising some of their own arguments...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I’m sure many of you are familiar with the trilemma, the logical fallacy inherent in one of the most common [Christian] definitions of theistic reality:

-God is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc.
-God is pure good
-Evil exists

A set of premises that cannot be reconciled with each other.

Good morning, BioMors.

I could certainly be wrong here, but I believe that the classic trilemma is "Jesus: Lord, Liar, or Lunatic?", as posed by CS Lewis. On the other hand, the question you've posed above is The Problem of Evil.