Trump 9 years ago

[Jumi]

I didn't watch the video, just the comment that he heaped praise upon them.

He was quite anti-war and anti-Bush there. He didn't exactly heap praise, just commended Hillary and said he's biased because she's a good friend of his and that Obama is a star.

 

[Revoltingest]

He was quite anti-war and anti-Bush there. He didn't exactly heap praise, just commended Hillary and said he's biased because she's a good friend of his and that Obama is a star.

Sounds ickily cloying to me.

 

[Jumi]

Sounds ickily cloying to me.

Source: Donald Trump's Wedding: Hillary Clinton Once Attended - Closer Weekly / Getty images

 

[Shad]

So it's a tactic that even his supporters are seeing through, but somehow works?

You are conflating supporting specific policy(s) with being a Trump supporter. It is not a black/white dynamic.

 

[Jumi]

You are conflating supporting specific policy(s) with being a Trump supporter. It is not a black/white dynamic.

So in your opinion he wasn't being honest with any or all views he presented in that interview and it was just a tactic. Were his other views in that interview also just tactics?

 

[Revoltingest]

Source: Donald Trump's Wedding: Hillary Clinton Once Attended - Closer Weekly / Getty images

Wow....I'd hate to run across that crew in a dark alley.

 

[Shad]

So in your opinion he wasn't being honest with any or all views he presented in that interview and it was just a tactic.

I think he mixes in lies, exaggerations and half-truths into truth then spouts off. For example he called Hillary a friend in that clip. Yet during the campaign he changes that relationship into one of a corporate fat cat (him) and a paid on demand politician (Hillary). He brought this up a few times if I remember correctly. There was once where he said he donated to Hillary so she showed up Ivanaka's birthday party. Another when he was asked about his donation to the Clinton Foundations and called it "Doing business" (paraphrased). His views on Europe, in my mind, changed only because Trump's position went from a CEO to POTUS. Europe not responding well to Iraq 2 didn't harm his business nor reflect on him as a CEO. Now that he is POTUS the views of Europe reflect upon him as a leader.

I think a lot of what he said are the BS pleasantries and lies politicians tell when the camera is on about each other. The change is who these pleasantries are for. As I said now he is saying similar positive lines about GOP members as it is expected, and help him and the party behind him. It could be called a tactic but I think it is one so common place it is about as common as "hold the high ground" or "do not use cavalry against a pike wall" level of tactics; common knowledge within the subject.

Were his other views in that interview also just tactics?

A lot of what he said is basic political decorum no different than workplace decorum in my mind. It is something to be expected. I am not sure tactic is applicable in that case. I think a tactic requires more thought than just following the status quo of the time.

Like I said it seems like he uses a truth like donations to Hillary and at best an acquaintance based relationship spun into a friendship with common platitudes of the time he does not hold as the lies. I would call the quick formulation of media friendly and popular soundbites the tactic in all of this not necessarily what he said itself.

 

[Jumi]

I think he mixes in lies, exaggerations and half-truths into truth then spouts off. For example he called Hillary a friend in that clip. Yet during the campaign he changes that relationship into one of a corporate fat cat (him) and a paid on demand politician (Hillary). He brought this up a few times if I remember correctly. There was once where he said he donated to Hillary so she showed up Ivanaka's birthday party. Another when he was asked about his donation to the Clinton Foundations and called it "Doing business" (paraphrased). His views on Europe, in my mind, changed only because Trump's position went from a CEO to POTUS. Europe not responding well to Iraq 2 didn't harm his business nor reflect on him as a CEO. Now that he is POTUS the views of Europe reflect upon him as a leader.

So it's obvious he used another tactic to distance himself from her.

It's quite interesting though how he was worried of how the US image abroad was at a low point with Bush and now he himself is creating negative press in EU.

I think a lot of what he said are the BS pleasantries and lies politicians tell when the camera is on about each other. The change is who these pleasantries are for. As I said now he is saying similar positive lines about GOP members as it is expected, and help him and the party behind him. It could be called a tactic but I think it is one so common place it is about as common as "hold the high ground" or "do not use cavalry against a pike wall" level of tactics; common knowledge within the subject.

It probably works in your country, not so well in other places. Here we don't exchange meaningless pleasantries and people get chills from compliments. Because media people copy formats from the US, we had a presidential debate where you needed to compliment other candidates. It was the most awkward thing... guess that's why folks in my country are so bad at business and politics.

A lot of what he said is basic political decorum no different than workplace decorum in my mind. It is something to be expected. I am not sure tactic is applicable in that case. I think a tactic requires more thought than just following the status quo of the time.

All right, so this is what Americans expect of each other in work and politics. I learned something new then.

 

[Shad]

So it's obvious he used another tactic to distance himself from her.

He just switched platitudes from Dems to GOP which includes many of the talking points against Hillary which are more or less prepackaged at this point

It's quite interesting though how he was worried of how the US image abroad was at a low point with Bush and now he himself is creating negative press in EU.

Now that he is POTUS he is doing no more than the other POTUS have done. Ignore negative reactions to their actions as POTUS. Trump is just really bad at it due to his habit of bragging about this or that.

It probably works in your country, not so well in other places. Here we don't exchange meaningless pleasantries and people get chills from compliments. Because media people copy formats from the US, we had a presidential debate where you needed to compliment other candidates. It was the most awkward thing... guess that's why folks in my country are so bad at business and politics.

I am in Canada. It happens here too.

All right, so this is what Americans expect of each other in work and politics. I learned something new then.

Canada too. A lot of management programs and jobs have become part time emotional therapy

 

[Jumi]

He just switched platitudes from Dems to GOP which includes many of the talking points against Hillary which are more or less prepackaged at this point

Well he spoke those platitudes about both party candidates. It didn't seem like he was anything, but happy that the president wasn't going to be Bush.

I am in Canada. It happens here too.

Canada too. A lot of management programs and jobs have become part time emotional therapy[/QUOTE]
Sounds horrifying.

 

[Shad]

Well he spoke those platitudes about both party candidates. It didn't seem like he was anything, but happy that the president wasn't going to be Bush.

Well Bush Sr was retired, Jr couldn't run due to limitations and Jeb never run until 2016. I believe by 2009 it was the popular view to hold Bush's 2 terms as POTUS were a disaster

Sounds horrifying.

No horrifying but completely outside the positions scope.

 

[Jumi]

Well Bush Sr was retired, Jr couldn't run due to limitations and Jeb never run until 2016. I believe by 2009 it was the popular view to hold Bush's 2 terms as POTUS were a disaster

I remember those days. It seemed like a disaster before the 2nd term to outside observers at least. The war in Iraq was so unpopular you'd be looked at as if you were insane if you said anything positive about it in much of the EU.

No horrifying but completely outside the positions scope.

Not horrifying to you guys, I guess.

 

[columbus]

I believe by 2009 it was the popular view to hold Bush's 2 terms as POTUS were a disaster

They were.
From the wars he started, but couldn't finish, to managing to crash the economy while also running up staggering Federal deficits and debt(old fashioned economists didn't think it could be done)...

Bush was a disaster of a president.
Tom

ETA.~ It wasn't just Bush on his own. The Republicans also controlled Capitol Hill~

 

[Shad]

I remember those days. It seemed like a disaster before the 2nd term to outside observers at least. The war in Iraq was so unpopular you'd be looked at as if you were insane if you said anything positive about it in much of the EU.

That is a fairly common view. Granted the rationale varies.

Not horrifying to you guys, I guess.

I suppose it would be horrifying to someone that has no interest in that aspect but refuses to quit.

 

[Shad]

They were.
From the wars he started, but couldn't finish, to managing to crash the economy while also running up staggering Federal deficits and debt(old fashioned economists didn't think it could be done)...

Of a specific system I can see that. However there are other schools of thought which treat debate and deficits are artificial "lines in the sand".

ETA.~ It wasn't just Bush on his own. The Republicans also controlled Capitol Hill~

Many Dems seat went along without issue especially in regards to the wars.