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Trump abruptly comes home early

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Just spoke to my closest friend to @realDonaldTrump

Something BIG is happening.

Which is why Prez flew back early to WH.

Get ready for fireworks.

Most interesting January in history coming up fast! President Trump not conceding.

He will NOT go down without a fight.

NOT over.

https://twitter.com/RealWayneRoot/status/1344765810233884672


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Dave Watchman

Active Member
It takes me there, then a second later redirects back here. The problem might be on my end.

It works for me.

But it starts muted.

I have to turn the volume up.

At around 6 minutes, it sounds like he says:"Your vote, your voice. Do not let your voice get cancelled by these ********.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1344740360862527494

David Madison Cawthorn is an American politician. A member of the Republican Party, Cawthorn is the U.S. Representative-elect for North Carolina's 11th congressional district after winning the 2020 election. The district includes most of Western North Carolina.​
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
How come you can say "BJ Queen", but I can't say "********" when I quote the congressman when he says:

"Your vote, your voice. Do not let your voice get cancelled by these bass tards.​

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Don't blame me if you can't figure out how to beat a simple censor bot.

You do realize that Trump is a probably going to go down as the worst President of the century, don't you? He is clearly the worst President since at least Harrison and probably beyond that.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Certified Results for President Are Found in Error – The Error Is Twice the Size of the Difference Between Candidates

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BREAKING: Pennsylvania Certified Results for President Are Found in Error - The Error Is Twice the Size of the Difference Between Candidates

https://twitter.com/russdiamond/status/1343622485946880007
This was almost immediately refuted.

Don't you have anything better than this? Guess what? Trump lost by a huge margin.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
NOT over.
Yes. It is over. The American system will prevail over bull**** and lies. Biden won the election, he won it again, and again and again, and again some more.
The real shame are the Republicans who won't call out this garbage and snuff it out. But they've been feeding the election fraud nonsense without any evidence for so long their pretty much screwed on it and have proven election integrity is NOT a priority to them.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Don't you have anything better than this? Guess what? Trump lost by a huge margin.

Are the twitter links not playing on your computer like the other guy?

Did you not watch the Congressman Madison Cawthorn video?

He is just one of the 140.

There probably will be more by January 6.

This is just what we need to empower Pence when he counts the votes.

"There is absolutely no guarantee, however, that a disputed presidential election in 2020 would not reach Congress. Indeed, as explained above, the analysis here is premised on the assumption that Trump easily could take a dispute over an outcome-determinative blue shift in the overtime count all the way to Congress.Trump could do so by having the state legislature send a second certificate of electoral vote, ones supporting him, to “compete” in Congress against a conflicting certificate of electoral votes from the same state, these other ones supporting his Democratic opponent based on the blue shift count in overtime. Thus, as part of an effort to prepare for the risk of a disputed presidential election in 2020, it is imperative to consider how the embarrassingly deficient procedures might operate if they were actually called into play.

The Constitution itself says remarkably little relevant to this topic, and what it does say is shockingly ambiguous. Here is the applicable text of the Twelfth Amendment: [T]he President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.33

The first thing to observe about this constitutional language is that the critical sentence is written in the passive voice: “the votes shall then be counted.”Here, thus, is the first frustrating ambiguity. It could be the “President of the Senate” who does the counting; or, after the President of the Senate has finished the role of “open[ing] the certificates” then the whole Congress, in this special joint session, collectively counts the electoral votes.Either way, this language contains no provision for what to do in the event of a dispute, whether with respect to the “certificates” to be “open[ed]” or with respect to the “votes” contained therein. It certainly says nothing about what to do if the President of the Senate has received two conflicting certificates of electoral votes from the same state, each certificate purporting to come from the state’s authoritatively appointed electors.As the distinguished jurist Joseph Story observed early in the nineteenth century, this crucial constitutional language in the Twelfth Amendment appears to have been written without imaging that it might ever be possible for this sort of dispute to arise.34

Despite its ambiguity, or perhaps because of it, the peculiar passive-voice phrasing of this crucial sentence opens up the possibility of interpreting it to provide that the “President of the Senate” has the exclusive constitutional authority to determine which “certificates” to “open” and thus which electoral votes “to be counted.”This interpretation can derive support from the observation that the President of the Senate is the only officer, or instrumentality, of government given an active role in the process of opening the certificates and counting the electoral votes from the states.

The Senate and House of Representatives, on this view, have an observational role only.The opening and counting are conducted in their “presence”—for the sake of transparency—but these two legislative bodies do not actually take any actions of their own in this opening and counting process.How could they? Under the Constitution, the Senate and the House of Representatives only act separately, as entirely distinct legislative chambers.They have no constitutional way to act together as one amalgamated corpus.Thus, they can only watch as the President of the Senate opens the certificates of electoral votes from the states and announces the count of the electoral votes contained therein.

Before turning to the statute, there is another constitutional provision to consider.The Twentieth Amendment provides:

If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.40
This provision contemplates the possibility that the time for inaugurating the new president—at noon, on January 20—may arrive without a new president having yet “been chosen.”The most straightforward textual way this might occur is if it is abundantly clear to all that no candidate has received a majority of electoral votes.In that event,under the Twelfth Amendment the House of Representatives is supposed to elect a president by means of a special procedure in which each state’s delegation to the House has one vote.But the Twelfth Amendment provides that an absolute majority of all states “shall be necessary to a choice” and thus it is possible that the House will have failed to achieve this choice by the required majority vote before noon arrives on January 20.

In this case, if the Senate has successfully exercised its parallel authority under the Twelfth Amendment to elect a new vice president (when no vice presidential candidate received an Electoral College majority), then this provision of the Twentieth Amendment makes clear that the vice president newly elected by the Senate under the Twelfth Amendment becomes “acting president” until such time as the House of Representatives manages to elect a president by the required majority vote.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
End quote, but take careful note of the text that I've bolded up there.

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Because this thread is in the "North American Politics" forum. I can't possibly tell you where I think this is going to go. But I suspect, I fear, something big is about to happen that NOBODY on earth is expecting. With the exception of the individuals closest to the matter at hand.

It looks like my twitter videos aren't playing nice with you folks, but this is one you might want to watch:

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Listen, carefully.

https://twitter.com/SeanCordanon/status/1338102275571671041

On December 13, Obama is asked if he wishes he could have a third term.

He said if he could make an "arrangement" where he could have a front man, or a front woman, to stand up there while he called all the shots, he'd be fine with it.

A guy on another forum talked about an alternative, and troubling scenario, where Obama would become President again. Not President elect, but president appointed.

"If a former-president-turned-veep were to re-take office, it wouldn’t be due to an election, it would be due to the departing president’s death, removal, or resignation.​

Note also how Biden has demonstrated mental weakness. Many examples of mental fog, maybe the onset of dementia.


A president can't be "ELECTED" to more than two terms but it doesn't say he can't be appointed to more than 2 terms

So the scenario could play out as follows:

1. Biden and Harris win the election, "or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified;

2 Harris evokes the 25th amendment and declares Biden unfit to be president and gets congress to agree and Harris becomes president....we know not even Biden's cabinet wants him to be president.

3 Harris chooses Obama, for his greater experience, to be vice president (notice he isn't elected he is chosen) therefore qualifying him.

4 Harris steps down and Obama is once again President without being elected.

Could a Former President Ever Become Vice President?

The 12th Amendment, which was ratified in 1804, directs that no one “ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.” The 22nd Amendment states that “[n]o person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice." (Thank you, Franklin Roosevelt.) While this means the not-quite-one-term Ford would have been fine, it does mean a president who has served two terms couldn’t possibly be selected as a running mate.

Or could they? Some Constitutional scholars have argued it's possible. Columbia University law professor Michael Dorf explored the topic in 2000, when the exiting Bill Clinton was being earmarked as a running mate for Al Gore. Clinton, Dorf argued, wasn’t “ineligible,” just not electable—a big difference. If a former-president-turned-veep were to re-take office, it wouldn’t be due to an election, it would be due to the departing president’s death, removal, or resignation. The same would hold true for serving more than two terms—the third would be a succession, not an election.

A 2006 Washington Post article delved into the question further, finding three lawyers and a federal judge who agreed—with Hillary Clinton eyeing the Oval Office, they asserted that nothing in the Constitution would prohibit a two-Clinton ticket (the issue of them being from the same state is a discussion for another time). Others, however, stated taking “elected” at face value is being too literal, and that the spirit of the amendment was to prevent anyone from holding office for more than two terms regardless of how they arrived there.
Could a Former President Ever Become Vice President?
That should be probably about as far as I should go here on this for now.

Maybe too far?

The Man who takes charge in this, is this the Man, will probably be a surprise to all.

When he is revealed.

 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It's so pathetic how low some of Trump's base has been willing to go in order to basically stage a coup, and a few of them are in Congress. This is the most childish form of hero-worship I've ever seen, and also the most dangerous one to our "rule of law". But then a fairly recent opinion poll showed that roughly 40% of Republicans favor Trump over the Constitution of the United States.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Understand the dangerous uncertainty we are in here:


Biden is on shaky ground for numerous reasons.

If ANYTHING happens to him, Harris is right there.

She will KNOW what to do.

"If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.40

MR. BIDEN WILL NOT BE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT—HE WILL CAPITULATE!
"My friend received a call last night, from a current member of a 'National security office' and he was told Biden was preparing to surrender. With his son too."

https://twitter.com/armann1671/status/1344823682670202880

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Are the twitter links not playing on your computer like the other guy?

Did you not watch the Congressman Madison Cawthorn video?

He is just one of the 140.

There probably will be more by January 6.

This is just what we need to empower Pence when he counts the votes.

"There is absolutely no guarantee, however, that a disputed presidential election in 2020 would not reach Congress. Indeed, as explained above, the analysis here is premised on the assumption that Trump easily could take a dispute over an outcome-determinative blue shift in the overtime count all the way to Congress.Trump could do so by having the state legislature send a second certificate of electoral vote, ones supporting him, to “compete” in Congress against a conflicting certificate of electoral votes from the same state, these other ones supporting his Democratic opponent based on the blue shift count in overtime. Thus, as part of an effort to prepare for the risk of a disputed presidential election in 2020, it is imperative to consider how the embarrassingly deficient procedures might operate if they were actually called into play.

The Constitution itself says remarkably little relevant to this topic, and what it does say is shockingly ambiguous. Here is the applicable text of the Twelfth Amendment: [T]he President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.33

The first thing to observe about this constitutional language is that the critical sentence is written in the passive voice: “the votes shall then be counted.”Here, thus, is the first frustrating ambiguity. It could be the “President of the Senate” who does the counting; or, after the President of the Senate has finished the role of “open[ing] the certificates” then the whole Congress, in this special joint session, collectively counts the electoral votes.Either way, this language contains no provision for what to do in the event of a dispute, whether with respect to the “certificates” to be “open[ed]” or with respect to the “votes” contained therein. It certainly says nothing about what to do if the President of the Senate has received two conflicting certificates of electoral votes from the same state, each certificate purporting to come from the state’s authoritatively appointed electors.As the distinguished jurist Joseph Story observed early in the nineteenth century, this crucial constitutional language in the Twelfth Amendment appears to have been written without imaging that it might ever be possible for this sort of dispute to arise.34

Despite its ambiguity, or perhaps because of it, the peculiar passive-voice phrasing of this crucial sentence opens up the possibility of interpreting it to provide that the “President of the Senate” has the exclusive constitutional authority to determine which “certificates” to “open” and thus which electoral votes “to be counted.”This interpretation can derive support from the observation that the President of the Senate is the only officer, or instrumentality, of government given an active role in the process of opening the certificates and counting the electoral votes from the states.

The Senate and House of Representatives, on this view, have an observational role only.The opening and counting are conducted in their “presence”—for the sake of transparency—but these two legislative bodies do not actually take any actions of their own in this opening and counting process.How could they? Under the Constitution, the Senate and the House of Representatives only act separately, as entirely distinct legislative chambers.They have no constitutional way to act together as one amalgamated corpus.Thus, they can only watch as the President of the Senate opens the certificates of electoral votes from the states and announces the count of the electoral votes contained therein.

Before turning to the statute, there is another constitutional provision to consider.The Twentieth Amendment provides:

If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.40
This provision contemplates the possibility that the time for inaugurating the new president—at noon, on January 20—may arrive without a new president having yet “been chosen.”The most straightforward textual way this might occur is if it is abundantly clear to all that no candidate has received a majority of electoral votes.In that event,under the Twelfth Amendment the House of Representatives is supposed to elect a president by means of a special procedure in which each state’s delegation to the House has one vote.But the Twelfth Amendment provides that an absolute majority of all states “shall be necessary to a choice” and thus it is possible that the House will have failed to achieve this choice by the required majority vote before noon arrives on January 20.

In this case, if the Senate has successfully exercised its parallel authority under the Twelfth Amendment to elect a new vice president (when no vice presidential candidate received an Electoral College majority), then this provision of the Twentieth Amendment makes clear that the vice president newly elected by the Senate under the Twelfth Amendment becomes “acting president” until such time as the House of Representatives manages to elect a president by the required majority vote.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj
End quote, but take careful note of the text that I've bolded up there.

c325dc67c6.jpg


Because this thread is in the "North American Politics" forum. I can't possibly tell you where I think this is going to go. But I suspect, I fear, something big is about to happen that NOBODY on earth is expecting. With the exception of the individuals closest to the matter at hand.

It looks like my twitter videos aren't playing nice with you folks, but this is one you might want to watch:

AUAvnGL.jpg


Listen, carefully.

https://twitter.com/SeanCordanon/status/1338102275571671041

On December 13, Obama is asked if he wishes he could have a third term.

He said if he could make an "arrangement" where he could have a front man, or a front woman, to stand up there while he called all the shots, he'd be fine with it.

A guy on another forum talked about an alternative, and troubling scenario, where Obama would become President again. Not President elect, but president appointed.

"If a former-president-turned-veep were to re-take office, it wouldn’t be due to an election, it would be due to the departing president’s death, removal, or resignation.​

Note also how Biden has demonstrated mental weakness. Many examples of mental fog, maybe the onset of dementia.


A president can't be "ELECTED" to more than two terms but it doesn't say he can't be appointed to more than 2 terms

So the scenario could play out as follows:

1. Biden and Harris win the election, "or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified;

2 Harris evokes the 25th amendment and declares Biden unfit to be president and gets congress to agree and Harris becomes president....we know not even Biden's cabinet wants him to be president.

3 Harris chooses Obama, for his greater experience, to be vice president (notice he isn't elected he is chosen) therefore qualifying him.

4 Harris steps down and Obama is once again President without being elected.

Could a Former President Ever Become Vice President?

The 12th Amendment, which was ratified in 1804, directs that no one “ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.” The 22nd Amendment states that “[n]o person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice." (Thank you, Franklin Roosevelt.) While this means the not-quite-one-term Ford would have been fine, it does mean a president who has served two terms couldn’t possibly be selected as a running mate.

Or could they? Some Constitutional scholars have argued it's possible. Columbia University law professor Michael Dorf explored the topic in 2000, when the exiting Bill Clinton was being earmarked as a running mate for Al Gore. Clinton, Dorf argued, wasn’t “ineligible,” just not electable—a big difference. If a former-president-turned-veep were to re-take office, it wouldn’t be due to an election, it would be due to the departing president’s death, removal, or resignation. The same would hold true for serving more than two terms—the third would be a succession, not an election.

A 2006 Washington Post article delved into the question further, finding three lawyers and a federal judge who agreed—with Hillary Clinton eyeing the Oval Office, they asserted that nothing in the Constitution would prohibit a two-Clinton ticket (the issue of them being from the same state is a discussion for another time). Others, however, stated taking “elected” at face value is being too literal, and that the spirit of the amendment was to prevent anyone from holding office for more than two terms regardless of how they arrived there.
Could a Former President Ever Become Vice President?
That should be probably about as far as I should go here on this for now.

Maybe too far?

The Man who takes charge in this, is this the Man, will probably be a surprise to all.

When he is revealed.

Do you really have that low of an opinion of the Republican Party? Do you think that they are all immoral or idiots? The Democratically controlled House is not going to support this immoral sedition and it will fail as a result. You should read the Constitution some day. In fact the Senators will almost certainly not support it either. Fewer of them are idiots. Most of them are in it for the long haul.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Understand the dangerous uncertainty we are in here:


Biden is on shaky ground for numerous reasons.

If ANYTHING happens to him, Harris is right there.

She will KNOW what to do.

"If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.40

MR. BIDEN WILL NOT BE SWORN IN AS PRESIDENT—HE WILL CAPITULATE!
"My friend received a call last night, from a current member of a 'National security office' and he was told Biden was preparing to surrender. With his son too."

https://twitter.com/armann1671/status/1344823682670202880

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I doubt if you have even one reason that Biden is on "shaky ground". He beat Trump by 7 million votes in the popular vote and won by a "landslide" (by Trump's standards) with the electoral vote.

Why do you think that so many Republicans are either immoral or idiots or both?
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
I doubt if you have even one reason that Biden is on "shaky ground". He beat Trump by 7 million votes in the popular vote and won by a "landslide" (by Trump's standards) with the electoral vote.

His health is weak.

His mind is weak.

He has some legal concerns brewing.

Any one of a number of problems could render him unfit at any moment and trigger an unexpected chain of events.

Are you still having trouble digesting my links?

Why do you think that so many Republicans are either immoral or idiots or both?

Actually, I think you've underestimated me.

I'm not who you think I am.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
His health is weak.

Citation needed. And a reliable source please. Do you know how to tell if your source is reliable?

His mind is weak.

Now you are confused. We are talking about Biden not Trump.

He has some legal concerns brewing.

Once again, we are talking about Biden, not Trump. Please pay attention.

Any one of a number of problems could render him unfit at any moment and trigger an unexpected chain of events.

Even if true, which does not appear to be the case, it really would not. We may simply have a new President. I am sure that you will love her.

Are you still having trouble digesting my links?

I never claimed to have a problem with your links. They are simply garbage as far as a serious discussion goes.

Actually, I think you've underestimated me.

I'm not who you think I am.

So far you have only confirmed my beliefs. Go ahead and surprise me. By the way, why did you dodge my questions. I answered your weak claims. Let me ask it again:

Why do you think that so many Republicans are either immoral or idiots or both?
 
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