Trump and Hillary score huge wins in New York

[Sultan Of Swing]

Donald Trump has won the Republican presidential primary in New York while Hillary Clinton has triumphed in the Democratic race.

With the majority of votes counted, Mr Trump looks set to extend his lead over rivals Ted Cruz and John Kasich.

Meanwhile Democratic hopeful Mrs Clinton, a former senator for New York, is on course for a victory over Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders.

Wins will put Mrs Clinton and Mr Trump closer to securing their nominations.

With more than 98% of the results in, Mr Trump is leading with just over 60% of the vote while Mrs Clinton has just under 58%.

US election 2016: Trump and Clinton win New York primaries - BBC News

Thoughts? Does Trump look likely to secure the 1237 now needed to win the nomination? He beat expectations by getting over 60% of the vote while also scoring 89 out of 95 delegates.

Cruz meanwhile scored 14% of the vote and earned an incredible 0 delegates. How do you like them "New York values", Ted?

Hillary also beat expectations, getting nearly 60%. Is this the end of the line for Bernie's campaign?

The Bernie team are already looking towards their next strategy. Flipping superdelegates to support Bernie. That seems a bit odd coming from the guy who was criticising their presence as being undemocratic up until now. Hillary has 2 million more votes than Bernie, I don't think there's any democratic precedent for any flipping whatsoever.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Donald Trump has won the Republican presidential primary in New York while Hillary Clinton has triumphed in the Democratic race.

With the majority of votes counted, Mr Trump looks set to extend his lead over rivals Ted Cruz and John Kasich.

Meanwhile Democratic hopeful Mrs Clinton, a former senator for New York, is on course for a victory over Brooklyn-born Bernie Sanders.

Wins will put Mrs Clinton and Mr Trump closer to securing their nominations.

With more than 98% of the results in, Mr Trump is leading with just over 60% of the vote while Mrs Clinton has just under 58%.

US election 2016: Trump and Clinton win New York primaries - BBC News

Thoughts? Does Trump look likely to secure the 1237 now needed to win the nomination? He beat expectations by getting over 60% of the vote while also scoring 89 out of 95 delegates.

Cruz meanwhile scored 14% of the vote and earned an incredible 0 delegates. How do you like them "New York values", Ted?

Hillary also beat expectations, getting nearly 60%. Is this the end of the line for Bernie's campaign?

The Bernie team are already looking towards their next strategy. Flipping superdelegates to support Bernie. That seems a bit odd coming from the guy who was criticising their presence as being undemocratic up until now. Hillary has 2 million more votes than Bernie, I don't think there's any democratic precedent for any flipping whatsoever.

Not a surprising result considering the DNC disenfranchised a lot of Democratic voters days before the ballot. That was bound to work in Hillary's favour.


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[Sultan Of Swing]

Not a surprising result considering the DNC disenfranchised a lot of Democratic voters days before the ballot. That was bound to work in Hillary's favour.


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Considering Hillary's huge win, I'm not sure an open primary would still have won it for Bernie, probably would have just lowered Hillary's win margin.

Further, is it that bad not letting independents vote on a party's nominee, or only party members who have been members for at least six months? I don't get how this is particularly unfair. It is the party's nominee after all.

 

[Lyndon]

I believe Bernie Sanders got more votes than Trump, just saying, the term HuGe victory is relative. 753,000 votes for Bernie, 519,000 votes for Trump, Trump got Berned!!

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I believe Bernie Sanders got more votes than Trump, just saying, the term HuGe victory is relative.

I agree, it was huge in terms of Republican support in New York though.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Hillary also beat expectations, getting nearly 60%. Is this the end of the line for Bernie's campaign?

He will go until it is mathematically impossible for him to succeed, then comes plan B.
It's still mathematically possible, so no plan B and no dropping out.

The Bernie team are already looking towards their next strategy. Flipping superdelegates to support Bernie. That seems a bit odd coming from the guy who was criticising their presence as being undemocratic up until now. Hillary has 2 million more votes than Bernie, I don't think there's any democratic precedent for any flipping whatsoever.

The super delegates tend to go to whoever is more likely to do better in the general, the popular vote is taken into account by them.
So long as he continues to show superior potential, and sticks close in pledged delegates, Hillary wont be getting many of them.

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[Sultan Of Swing]

He will go until it is mathematically impossible for him to succeed, then comes plan B.
It's still mathematically possible, so no plan B and no dropping out.



The super delegates tend to go to whoever is more likely to do better in the general, the popular vote is taken into account by them.
So long as he continues to show superior potential, and sticks close in pledged delegates, Hillary wont be getting many of them.

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If Hillary has more votes than Bernie, why should they be going for him anyway?

 

[Deathbydefault]

If Hillary has more votes than Bernie, why should they be going for him anyway?

Because she is much more likely to lose against the republican nominee, no matter which one it is.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Because she is much more likely to lose against the republican nominee, no matter which one it is.

If Hillary was losing the Democrat race, but polls showed she'd do better against the Republican candidate, you'd support the superdelegates flipping to her and nulling the party base's vote?

 

[Deathbydefault]

If Hillary was losing the Democrat race, but polls showed she'd do better against the Republican candidate, you'd support the superdelegates flipping to her and nulling the party base's vote?

I misread your post so I will re-reply now.

No, I hate her, but I would understand how it happened and move on.

 

[Jumi]

I thought this was funny:

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If Hillary was losing the Democrat race, but polls showed she'd do better against the Republican candidate, you'd support the superdelegates flipping to her and nulling the party base's vote?

There's actually an instance of this happening in Wyoming - Bernie got the majority but the delegates decided '**** it' and gave the state to Hillary.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/thi...racy_giving_clinton_unfair_edge_over_sanders/

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Considering Hillary's huge win, I'm not sure an open primary would still have won it for Bernie, probably would have just lowered Hillary's win margin.

Well maybe so. It wouldn't be surprising if most or all of those this affected were openly supporting Bernie.

Further, is it that bad not letting independents vote on a party's nominee, or only party members who have been members for at least six months? I don't get how this is particularly unfair. It is the party's nominee after all.

The problem here is these people were registered Democrat voters up until right before the ballot when it was too late to rectify the 'mistake'. It smacks of vote rigging, frankly, and the fact the delegates decided to ignore their caucus' result and vote for Hillary anyway would suggest that the will of the average voter isn't actually important. This isn't an isolated incident either - there's even an example of Alaskan super-delegate Kim Metcalfe who refuses to support Sanders despite Sanders winning 81.6% of the vote in that state. How is that democratic or just? She's even called out on it by a Sanders supporter and ends up issuing condescending & evasive remarks in response - nothing of substance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-hanley/alaskan-superdelegate-sti_b_9579342.html

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

The problem here is these people were registered Democrat voters up until right before the ballot when it was too late to rectify the 'mistake'. It smacks of vote rigging, frankly, and the fact the delegates decided to ignore their caucus' result and vote for Hillary anyway would suggest that the will of the average voter isn't actually important. This isn't an isolated incident either - there's even an example of Alaskan super-delegate Kim Metcalfe who refuses to support Sanders despite Sanders winning 81.6% of the vote in that state. How is that democratic or just? She's even called out on it by a Sanders supporter and ends up issuing condescending & evasive remarks in response - nothing of substance.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-hanley/alaskan-superdelegate-sti_b_9579342.html

When were these voter rules set? If they were set last year, I doubt they would have done it purposefully envisioning some surprise rise of Bernie that had to be quashed.

On the Alaskan super delegate:
1. Superdelegates aren't required or expected to vote for whoever won their state.

2. Hillary is leading in national votes by 2 million. A case can really be made to just support her regardless of how your state voted.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Because she is much more likely to lose against the republican nominee, no matter which one it is.

In a Trump v Clinton election, polls show that Bernie does better than Hillary, but the also show her beating her opponent. See here.

 

[Quetzal]

It is disappointing results, but predictable. My horse in the race is still a few lengths behind and Trump is that much closer to convincing me to polish my passport.

 

[Mindmaster]

I don't vote for Trump, but if I had to pick between Trump and Hillary I'd vote that way to spite the Dems. There are two ways to change the system -- repair it, and nuke it. I'll take option #2 if option #1 (Bernie) doesn't pan out. The only wasted vote is a vote for Hillary.

 

[Lyndon]

When were these voter rules set? If they were set last year, I doubt they would have done it purposefully envisioning some surprise rise of Bernie that had to be quashed.

On the Alaskan super delegate:
1. Superdelegates aren't required or expected to vote for whoever won their state.

2. Hillary is leading in national votes by 2 million. A case can really be made to just support her regardless of how your state voted.

Hillary is not leading by 2 million, unless you don't count all the caucus states where Bernie overwhelmingly won.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Hillary is not leading by 2 million, unless you don't count all the caucus states where Bernie overwhelmingly won.

You're right it looks more like 2.7 million votes now. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

 

[Skwim]

In a Trump v Clinton election, polls show that Bernie does better than Hillary, but the also show her beating her opponent. See here.

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