Trump and Hillary score huge wins in New York

[metis]

I think we now know who'll be getting the nominations this summer, as Bernie's not going to prevail and the Pubs cannot now dump Trump without the party committing suicide.

 

[Lyndon]

You're right it looks more like 2.7 million votes now. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

As I said the 2.7 million lead is made up entirely of states that didn't have caucuses, if you factor in the caucus states as if a similar percentage number of people voted as in the other states, the 2.7 million lead shrinks considerably

 

[Deathbydefault]

In a Trump v Clinton election, polls show that Bernie does better than Hillary, but the also show her beating her opponent. See here.

That doesn't contradict my statement at all.

 

[Wirey]

I think we now know who'll be getting the nominations this summer, as Bernie's not going to prevail and the Pubs cannot now dump Trump without the party committing suicide.

I agree, but I wonder if the Pubs understand that?

 

[turk179]

I am sooo voting for Jill Stein for three reasons:
1. Hillary is not Bill
2. Trump will try to sell the U.S. to Mexico the first chance he gets.
3. I see a Jill Stein bumper sticker every time I step out my door....

 

[Twilight Hue]

I believe Bernie Sanders got more votes than Trump, just saying, the term HuGe victory is relative. 753,000 votes for Bernie, 519,000 votes for Trump, Trump got Berned!!

Not bad for Trump considering New York is primarily a Democrat controlled state in the first place.

 

[Underhill]

In NYS the political scene is a mess.

NYC dominates everything and very little of what they want translates to the rest of the state. In rural counties, the majority vote republican. So in local races, if you want any say, you have to be registered republican because all decisions are made in the primary. In national elections, the opposite is true. NYC dominates so the state virtually always goes democrat. And this isn't even getting into the thousands of delusional green party people who are completely left out of the primary process.

I would be surprised if there weren't tens of thousands of people who would have voted for Bernie but couldn't in NY.

 

[idav]

There's actually an instance of this happening in Wyoming - Bernie got the majority but the delegates decided '**** it' and gave the state to Hillary.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/thi...racy_giving_clinton_unfair_edge_over_sanders/

Oh are votes supposed to control delegates?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

When were these voter rules set? If they were set last year, I doubt they would have done it purposefully envisioning some surprise rise of Bernie that had to be quashed.

I'm not sure what you mean by "voter rules" here? Could you possibly clarify?

On the Alaskan super delegate:
1. Superdelegates aren't required or expected to vote for whoever won their state.

Yes they are because it is the number of delegates which determines who gets the Democratic Party's nomination. The delegates are supposed to vote with their caucus because to do otherwise flies in the face of democracy and renders caucus votes utterly pointless. The Iowan delegates cheated Bernie and gave Hillary a win she didn't deserve because Bernie got a majority of the Democrat caucus in that state.

That would be like members of the House of Lords having an overriding vote over constituency candidates here - how would that be fair? Your constituency votes for, say, the Labour candidate but the Lord for [insert area you live] decided 'nope, I want a Tory candidate there' and a single vote overwrites millions. That's not democracy.

Delegates and super-delegates voting against the caucus electorate are telling these people these people they have no voice whatsoever.

2. Hillary is leading in national votes by 2 million. A case can really be made to just support her regardless of how your state voted.

Clinton still doesn't poll as well against Republican candidates as Sanders. Bernie has a better chance of beating the Republicans, if not a chance of winning the Democrat nomination.