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Trump attacks Amazon, calling its shipping deal with Postal Service a 'scam' that must end

BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
BSM1 said:
You might want to go back and read the article. Amazon is paying the PO half of what it would pay UPS/FEDEX. The scam is that when you order from Amazon you're being charged the full UPS/FEDEX charge.
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So why isn't Trump going after the person at the USPS who made the deal? Someone is attacking the wrong people.

What you fail to realize is that Amazon uses Fedex/UPS for shipping, the USPS only comes into the picture when the package arrives at your local distribution facility. So the USPS isn't even the #1 shipper or bearing the #1 cost.

Methinks a little Walton birdy spoke with the president to tear into Amazon. It's all about profits at that level.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
tytlyf said:
So why isn't Trump going after the person at the USPS who made the deal? Someone is attacking the wrong people.

What you fail to realize is that Amazon uses Fedex/UPS for shipping, the USPS only comes into the picture when the package arrives at your local distribution facility. So the USPS isn't even the #1 shipper or bearing the #1 cost.

Methinks a little Walton birdy spoke with the president to tear into Amazon. It's all about profits at that level.
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What good would trying to track down and punish someone who probably is not even there. Simply raise the rate so everyone is treated equally at the PO; or have Amazon lower the rate you're charged for shipping to reflect a true price. I hope you understand that it is you the consumer and you the tax payer that's taking this double hosing be ye Rep or Dem.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
BSM1 said:
What good would trying to track down and punish someone who probably is not even there. Simply raise the rate so everyone is treated equally at the PO; or have Amazon lower the rate you're charged for shipping to reflect a true price. I hope you understand that it is you the consumer and you the tax payer that's taking this double hosing be ye Rep or Dem.
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How do you know someone isn't there? What does that mean?
Why is Dump going after Amazon and not the USPS? I know why. Walmart doesn't like the competition and I think Dump is jealous that Amazon's CEO is worth 50x as much.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
BSM1 said:
You might want to go back and read the article. Amazon is paying the PO half of what it would pay UPS/FEDEX. The scam is that when you order from Amazon you're being charged the full UPS/FEDEX charge.
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From the article:
Amazon regularly uses the Postal Service to complete what's called the "last mile" of delivery, with letter carriers dropping off packages at some 150 million residences and businesses daily...
While full details of the agreement between Amazon and the U.S. Postal Service are unknown...
That report predicted United Parcel Service Inc. and FedEx Corp. would also raise rates in response to a Postal Service hike.
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Why would Amazon pay the USPS what it pays UPS/Fed Ex when the USPS doesn't come into the picture until a package is received by them and sent out for delivery? And don't forget this little morsel from the article:
The president, citing reports he didn't specify, claimed the Postal Service "will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon."
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Oh. How nice, convenient, and lovely. He wants to launch an attack by citing a source that he doesn't actually cite.
 
S

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Amazon didn't pull a gun to the postal office's head and forced them into a bad deal.

Just freaking raise the prices and stop whining already. It's not like Amazon owns the postal service.

What a stupid argument. Trump sounds like his postal service is a welfare recipiant or something.
 
Cassandra

Cassandra

Active Member
tytlyf said:
Why is Dump ...
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I did not like Trump very much as a person, but I am really starting to like him as a president. I would not be surprised if despite all the spite of Democrats he is going to be remembered as a great president.

It is the Democrats who have really shown their true colors. Basically they are just Neoliberals protecting the interests of multinationals and use selected minorities to create a false picture of social involvement. In reality the do not care about the majority of the people in the country, who build that country. The only reason Democrats looked good was because TeaParty Republicans were so ugly. But now they are the same.

But Trump really does shows he cares about Americans. Sure, he is not a poster boy like Obama, but he is for real. Obama was a puppet put there by George Soros. A black poster boy they gave the Nobel peace price. From then on he behaved like a warmonger, destroying Syria and Libya, creating a huge missile shield that undermined mutual assured destruction, investing a trillion in new nuclear weapons and operating drones attacks in other countries. Arming and financing IS. And now democrats want war with Russia, because Putin stopped them from destroying Syria. Wat horrible dehumanizing ideology is behind this.

I wonder how many of the people here are actually from organizations sponsored by George Soros, as I understand he has hundreds of such activist organizations on his pay role.
 
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idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
tytlyf said:
So where did this come from? What is the motivation behind the president attacking the free market? Methinks the Waltons had a little chat with the dotard.

Trump renews attack on Amazon, calling its shipping deal with Postal Service a 'scam' that must end
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I highly doubt Trump is bashing Amazon for the good of the nation, he has some ulterior motive that hurts his bottom line. Thats how Trump works using his presidential position to further his personal agendas. He lost my trust before even taking the presidency and has only gotten worse with his attacking the poor but helping the rich and big oil.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Shadow Wolf said:
From the article:

Why would Amazon pay the USPS what it pays UPS/Fed Ex when the USPS doesn't come into the picture until a package is received by them and sent out for delivery? And don't forget this little morsel from the article:

Oh. How nice, convenient, and lovely. He wants to launch an attack by citing a source that he doesn't actually cite.
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You're missing the point. You have paid the UPS rate when you order Amazon (in most cases). Amazon is profiting the difference between the UPS rate and what the PO is allowing them to pay for their service.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
BSM1 said:
You're missing the point. You have paid the UPS rate when you order Amazon (in most cases). Amazon is profiting the difference between the UPS rate and what the PO is allowing them to pay for their service.
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Yeah, and? Isn't the free market what Conservatives are all about? Is it any different when a company shifts their own tax burden onto the costumer? Or now is it fine for us all to attack a free market and a free market-based contract because Trump complained about it? Last I knew, many on the Right were wanting the USPS to rely more on private funds anyways.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Remember Trump bragged during the election that he didn’t pay taxes. He said that made him a “smart businessman”.

Amazon is doing the same thing.

That being said, Trump is actually right on this issue. Amazon should be made to pay sales tax more in a more consistent way, and pay more for their postal service. And this is not just Amazon, they are the biggest, but there are others with the same basic business model.

But the sales tax issue can be solved by passing a simple legislation, and the post office can just increase their rates.

So let’s just watch and see if anyone really tries to solve this issue, or if they just want ti make a lot of noise and distract people from other issues.
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
fantome profane said:
Remember Trump bragged during the election that he didn’t pay taxes. He said that made him a “smart businessman”.

Amazon is doing the same thing.

That being said, Trump is actually right on this issue. Amazon should be made to pay sales tax more in a more consistent way, and pay more for their postal service. And this is not just Amazon, they are the biggest, but there are others with the same basic business model.

But the sales tax issue can be solved by passing a simple legislation, and the post office can just increase their rates.

So let’s just watch and see if anyone really tries to solve this issue, or if they just want ti make a lot of noise and distract people from other issues.
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Exactly, id like to see some actual legislation and less twitter battles. Picking on just one online giant is simply misleading.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
BSM1 said:
You're missing the point. You have paid the UPS rate when you order Amazon (in most cases). Amazon is profiting the difference between the UPS rate and what the PO is allowing them to pay for their service.
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That only applies when purchasers are not members of Amazon Prime. Sixty percent of sales appear to be Prime members:

Report: Prime members now represent 63 percent of Amazon's US customers - Marketing Land

Free shipping with prime, unless you want it "next day" and even then if your purchase is large enough you can get that free too quite often.

I am not sure if your claim is true for other sales. Can you show that people pay an unfair rate if the Post Office delivers it the last little bit of the way?
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Shadow Wolf said:
Yeah, and? Isn't the free market what Conservatives are all about? Is it any different when a company shifts their own tax burden onto the costumer? Or now is it fine for us all to attack a free market and a free market-based contract because Trump complained about it? Last I knew, many on the Right were wanting the USPS to rely more on private funds anyways.
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Where's all this justice you guys rant about?

Subduction Zone said:
That only applies when purchasers are not members of Amazon Prime. Sixty percent of sales appear to be Prime members:

Report: Prime members now represent 63 percent of Amazon's US customers - Marketing Land

Free shipping with prime, unless you want it "next day" and even then if your purchase is large enough you can get that free too quite often.

I am not sure if your claim is true for other sales. Can you show that people pay an unfair rate if the Post Office delivers it the last little bit of the way?
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Understood. But the shipping costs to Prime Members is passed on somewhere in the overhead (being a Prime Member, I'm okay with this).
 
Srivijaya

Srivijaya

Active Member
Amazon undercuts real-world prices, drives down its suppliers' margins and puts retailers out of business. Jobs and tax take are then lost, in addition to their clever accounting, which also avoids them paying their share - not an option for a bricks & mortar business or a regular citizen.

I also predict that a facebookesque shed load of dirt will come to light at some point concerning the metrics they (and ebay) use, which dictate which listed products you get to see, and which are 'concealed' from a potential buyer.

These companies are milking it all ways and something needs to be done.
 
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