Trump attacks Mueller on Twitter

[Kangaroo Feathers]

This has never been declared a RICO case, it'll be really hard to justify what is being done in court.

Anyway, I get the point - this forum is full of Trump haters, reason be damned. I'll leave it here for greener pastures.

Yes yes. It's all because people just hate Trump for no reason.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Poor snowflakes.

 

[Mindmaster]

Yes yes. It's all because people just hate Trump for no reason.

I don't care why they hate Trump, if their mind is all made up then I have no use for the discussion. I don't come to this forum to be a punching bag for anyone's faulty religious beliefs. I'm not particularly pro-Trump or anti-Trump, so sell your dogma to someone else. I think it's valid to dislike Trump on a personal level, but many people dislike alpha male successful people. Implying there is some Russian conspiracy or something of that regard is just being a nutcase. Nothing I say can help crazy, unfortunately.

I'm just going to make use of the ignore button here a lot more. That's to say, if I determine you aren't actually discussing anything or thinking which seems to be the case in the majority on this thread I'll just block that user. It's far easier than wasting my time with the vehemently religious folks on the site in regard to political matters.

I do appreciate a variety of discussion, I just don't value circular logic or that which simply panders to the bandwagon. That's the non-thinking position, and frankly I have better things to do.

 

[Nakosis]

We don't know that there was no 'political collusion'. Republicans are saying that, but admitted that Russia influenced our election. They deny that Trump benefited by it. Why should we believe them?

You don't have to. You can believe the evidence or lack thereof.

If you think Trump is smart enough to cover his tracks with all this investigation, well then I suppose Trump is smarter than folks thought.

So far no one questioned has had any evidence. Still maybe someone not questioned, but why would they have not come forward by now?

 

[Falvlun]

I just think this all going to fall apart in the courtroom, there is going to be a jury there and the jury isn't going to like seeing such witch hunt behavior. Unless the evidence is compelling against Trump the jury is going a) acknowledge this is a sitting President and probably rule in his favor or in this case Gates and Manaforts, b) see this as invasive wire-tap abuse, and it may even get the judge to issue a ruling against FISA. They really, and I mean _really_ don't want this to go to court. People generally don't support this type of surveillance against citizens unless it is enemy of the state situations, and there are no enemies here. Russia isn't an actual enemy of the USA, so it's going to be hype and propaganda in order to influence the jury.

This is so far removed from reality that I really don’t know where to start.

1) you have not shown it’s a “witch hunt”, particular in light of previous investigations. Making a deal with a foreign government to get elected would be a big ****ing deal. We need to know if Trump is beholden to a foreign government. People would— and should— be pissed if it’s shown that our President conspired with Canada, let alone Russia, to get elected.

2) you have not shown that Mueller has gone beyond his scope, given his orders from the DOJ and the people he’s went after so far— Russians and trump campaign staffers, relating to their Russian involvements.

3) Why are you going on about FISA warrants? Carter Page? He got a warrant because Australia informed us of some shady business, because Papadopoulos had a big, drunken mouth. The Nunes memo flat out lied that they were not told that the Steele Dossier was from opposition research— it’s in a footnote, check it out. And it lied that the warrant was based primarily on the Dossier.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

well then I suppose Trump is smarter than folks thought

I actually don't assume necessarily that Trump is stupid. I understand why it's more comforting to believe he is. Otherwise we'd have to acknowledge we're dealing with another Hitler- a genius in manipulating the thought processes of the masses, which is a frightening thought

So far no one questioned has had any evidence. Still maybe someone not questioned, but why would they have not come forward by now?

We don't know the details of the investigation from Mueller, so cannot assume they had no evidence.

 

[Falvlun]

So far no one questioned has had any evidence. Still maybe someone not questioned, but why would they have not come forward by now?

How do you know this? Are you privy to all the evidence that Mueller has obtained?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I do want it understood that the collusion being false or non-existent would not change my opinion of Trump in the slightest. I will NEVER think that the inhumane things he does, or disregarding the lives of 'others' is somehow right.

The man is still a horrible human being, from my perspective. He is malicious and hateful. Clearly, he does not care. I'd think at least some of his defenders would. This isn't the kind of nation we want to be. Our country is better and has been better than Trump's vision.

Whenever people give into this kind of rhetoric and hate, based in fear. FEAR. What we're seeing is a distortion of humanity into ugliness.

I say to those that think they like Trump's message: remember what you are. Wake up.

 

[Nakosis]

How do you know this? Are you privy to all the evidence that Mueller has obtained?

Sorry, should have said no one questioned by the House Oversight Committee.

Since Mueller has yet to provide any evidence, one can only speculate, which I see as a big waste of time.

 

[Nakosis]

I actually don't assume necessarily that Trump is stupid. I understand why it's more comforting to believe he is. Otherwise we'd have to acknowledge we're dealing with another Hitler- a genius in manipulating the thought processes of the masses, which is a frightening thought

Which could mean he'll get away with it.

We don't know the details of the investigation from Mueller, so cannot assume they had no evidence.

Sorry, meant to say no one question by the House Oversight Committee had any evidence.

Still, if someone did have evidence, why haven't they come forwarded?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Still, if someone did have evidence, why haven't they come forwarded?

You know how serious whistle-blowing is, I'll assume? They may yet.

What I'll ask you is: do you think our holding out as a possibility Trump could be guilty is somehow wrong? Trump supporters want all of us to share their confidence in his integrity, apparently.

 

[Falvlun]

Sorry, should have said no one questioned by the House Oversight Committee.

Since Mueller has yet to provide any evidence, one can only speculate, which I see as a big waste of time.

That makes more sense, though there is evidence that the House Committee was rather lax.

As for speculation, you have again asked, below, why no one has come forward if evidence exists. This again discounts the possibility that someone has come forward, but It hasn’t been released yet.

As for evidence of Trump collusion, I think there’s enough to be suspicious, but we obviously need to wait for confirmation. This post highlights the evidence as I see it: HERE.

 

[idav]

Sorry, should have said no one questioned by the House Oversight Committee.

Since Mueller has yet to provide any evidence, one can only speculate, which I see as a big waste of time.

I knew what you meant but they didnt ask them any hard questions. Bannon for example avoided saying anything that happened during the campaign. They need to do a bit better than that to convince the public they did an actual investigation. It's no surpise though that nobody wants to answer questions ons since Trump thinks its the private sector making everyone sign NDA's.
Trump Made White House Staff Sign NDAs in Futile Effort to Stop Leaks: Report

 

[Nakosis]

You know how serious whistle-blowing is, I'll assume? They may yet.

What I'll ask you is: do you think our holding out as a possibility Trump could be guilty is somehow wrong? Trump supporters want all of us to share their confidence in his integrity, apparently.

If evidence comes out that shows political collusion, I'll be the first to accept it. I just think anything like that would have come out by now. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just wouldn't be holding my breath. By focusing on possible political machinations folks may be missing something bigger though.

 

[Nous]

2) That’s literally what a plea deal is. Charge them with a serious crime and then allow them to plea to a lesser crime or for lesser punishment. Perhaps @Nous could review to further explain.

You have quite adequately described what a plea deal is, in addition to pointing out the errors of the article.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I'm not particularly pro-Trump or anti-Trump,

Sure you're not

so sell your dogma to someone else.

The fact you think I am pedaling some sort of "dogma" for merely questioning Trump rather undermines your earlier claim.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

By focusing on possible political machinations folks may be missing something bigger though.

Such as?

 

[Nakosis]

Such as?

If you read the link there is plenty there I think. Trump's collusion with the Russians started long before he thought about running for president.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

If you read the link there is plenty there I think. Trump's collusion with the Russians started long before he thought about running for president.

Ah, anything to take the focus off of the election hey?

 

[metis]

Trump's collusion with the Russians started long before he thought about running for president.

We know that he wanted a Trump Tower built in Moscow, and it's hypothetically possible that this might have opened that door. Now, whether he took advantage of it personally is another matter.