Trump AWOL

[Polymath257]

The spike in number of cases is due to more testing.

No, it really isn't. It is due to the fact that there are more people infected. That is shown by the positivity rate when the tests are being done.

COVID has a 1% mortality rate. Trump was on the case when he needed to be.

No, actually, he wasn't. When this disease was in its first surge earlier this year, Trump stood by and did nothing while ventilators were in short supply. That was a *known* issue well before and should have been resolved by the point they were in demand.

This is just one of many places he has consistently failed to plan for the known eventualities.

When we didn't know what we were dealing with.

True in January. False in March and April.

Now his operation "Warp Speed" has created at least two vaccines in record breaking time. There isn't much more he can do to help lower cases of COVID - besides preventing the Biden steal of the election. es, there is. He could consistently promote the use of masks. He could tell people not to congregate in huge crowds without masks. he could stop conducting superspreader events for his own ego.

The media is lying about these lawsuits.

What? That every one has been thrown out because of lack of evidence?

Trump is still fighting and there is overwhelming evidence of fraud in several States.

Only to those who are listening the crybaby that doesn't want to admit defeat. ALL of the adults in the room acknowledge Trump lost.

These battleground States have yet to certify their elections so there is no "President-Elect Biden".

There is just as much a President-Elect Biden as there was a President-Elect Trump on November 18, 2016. Plus, Biden won by more votes in the battleground states.

There is no reason to transition if Biden didn't win. I believe Trump has many means of victory in this election.

In the Buch/Gore standoff, Gore got transition money in spite of the election being in dispute. He got intelligence briefings. Once it was decided that he lost, those stopped.

Trump lost. Pure ans simple. The votes are in. There was no fraud widespread enough to change the result (there is always some, the main person lately suggesting to commit vote fraud is Lindsey Graham--for Trump).

 

[ecco]

The spike in number of cases is due to more testing.

The spike in the number of deaths is due to false media reporting - is that what you believe?

The media is lying about these lawsuits.

The media is reporting the results of the lawsuits. So far, only one case that has been adjudicated went for Trump. And that case makes absolutely no difference. Did you get some different news from OANN?

Trump is still fighting and there is overwhelming evidence of fraud in several States.

Indeed. Trump finally told the truth: "Thousands of votes found. The majority for Me."

Some 2700 previously uncounted votes were found. Not due to lawsuits, but due to election officials being thorough. 1500 for Trump; 1200 for Biden.
It's another "it don't make no difference event.

I believe Trump has many means of victory in this election.

That's what he wants you to believe so you keep sending money. Money that is not going to lawsuits, but into Trump's personal coffers. OANN doesn't tell you that, do they?

Welcome to the forum. It's always fun. Of course, the next four years will be a lot funner than the last 4.

 

[Stevicus]

That's the point of discussion. You voted so you are stating that your beliefs are best. The chain of beliefs to actions prove this.

Taxes hurt my business and I'm in a high tax bracket, so I did not vote for myself or my family per se.

I don't get much of the benefits of a left-leaning government. So, I voted for the overall good of our country.

This seems to be a common phenomenon, where people in a high tax bracket support left-leaning governments. Some of the wealthiest regions in the country support liberals, while many working-class districts support conservatives.

The irony is that have done very little for the poor and working classes these past decades, neither have they worked for the overall good of the country. The country has noticeably declined through both liberal and conservative administrations.

Based on the results and the effects their policies have had, one can conclude that either both sides are totally incompetent, or they hate the country so much that they want to see it go down the drain.

I'm just waiting for a conservative to actually start believing in science over religion.

Or at least, if they actually believed in the religion they claim to believe in, then they would do far more to help the poor and working classes. They would support honest, ethical government and business. They would support fair wages and prices (and wouldn't oppose government controls in those areas). That is, if they really believed in the religion. If they could do at least that, then that would be a start and a step in the right direction.

 

[Wandering Monk]

More proof that Americans elected a sociopath. His 'let it burn' attitude is all the evidence you need.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Could be have done better? Seriously, could he have done *worse*?

Considering he deliberately lied about it, only restricted travel to here from China, encouraging gatherings, and the injecting disinfectant remark, no, I don't think he could have.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ultimately, I think he will end up being the best of the worst or the worst of the best... average. And Congress (right and left) there with him.

History will remember him as a turd, one of the worst presidents in US history.

 

[suncowiam]

This seems to be a common phenomenon, where people in a high tax bracket support left-leaning governments. Some of the wealthiest regions in the country support liberals, while many working-class districts support conservatives.

The irony is that have done very little for the poor and working classes these past decades, neither have they worked for the overall good of the country. The country has noticeably declined through both liberal and conservative administrations.

Based on the results and the effects their policies have had, one can conclude that either both sides are totally incompetent, or they hate the country so much that they want to see it go down the drain.



Or at least, if they actually believed in the religion they claim to believe in, then they would do far more to help the poor and working classes. They would support honest, ethical government and business. They would support fair wages and prices (and wouldn't oppose government controls in those areas). That is, if they really believed in the religion. If they could do at least that, then that would be a start and a step in the right direction.

I can't argue with your points. I vote by what's said and promised, and yes, many times it ends up being fluff even from a democratic candidate.

It's always about voting for the lesser of two evils or who can do less damage.

As an engineer, I value science the most so the "existential issues" are climate change and the pandemic. I believe in the science pertaining to both.

Conservatives simply are failing on both fronts. Or they are placing politics first before us.

 

[metis]

...one of the worst presidents in US history.

No, not one of the most, imo.

We have had no previous president who has behaved so unethically under the Constitution more than this president, not even including his violating even the most basic Judeo-Christian teachings.

BTW, Trump's #1 hero-president is Andrew Jackson, who instituted the infamous "Trail of Tears" that cost the lives of so many Amerindians, and Trump had the unmitigated gall to have his picture up on the wall when having Amerindian leaders at the White House.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The spike in number of cases is due to more testing. COVID has a 1% mortality rate. Trump was on the case when he needed to be. When we didn't know what we were dealing with. Now his operation "Warp Speed" has created at least two vaccines in record breaking time. There isn't much more he can do to help lower cases of COVID - besides preventing the Biden steal of the election. The media is lying about these lawsuits. Trump is still fighting and there is overwhelming evidence of fraud in several States. These battleground States have yet to certify their elections so there is no "President-Elect Biden". There is no reason to transition if Biden didn't win. I believe Trump has many means of victory in this election.

Increased testing alone can't account for COVID-19 spike: experts
Fact check: Trump continues to falsely claim that spike in coronavirus cases is due to heightened testing - CNNPolitics
Spike in coronavirus cases 'not just a function of testing,' testing czar says in contrast to Trump
Health official: TN's case spike is from increased transmission, not increased testing

 

[SkepticThinker]

The spike in number of cases is due to more testing. COVID has a 1% mortality rate. Trump was on the case when he needed to be. When we didn't know what we were dealing with. Now his operation "Warp Speed" has created at least two vaccines in record breaking time. There isn't much more he can do to help lower cases of COVID - besides preventing the Biden steal of the election. The media is lying about these lawsuits. Trump is still fighting and there is overwhelming evidence of fraud in several States. These battleground States have yet to certify their elections so there is no "President-Elect Biden". There is no reason to transition if Biden didn't win. I believe Trump has many means of victory in this election.

Pfizer's vaccine has nothing to do with Trump or Operation Warp Speed.
Fact check: Trump wrongly takes full credit for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine


There is not one iota of evidence that Biden has stolen the election. Trump's lawyers haven't presented any. And most all of their lawsuits have already been laughed out of court, rejected, or dismissed. They actually, seriously argued that there were "nonzero" observers in the room in Pennsylvania, and that hearsay isn't hearsay. I kid you not - you can watch it for yourself. These are all Trump has been trying to perpetuate because he's a baby who can't admit he's been defeated. Also, Biden is winning the popular vote by almost 6 million.

You really shouldn't get your information from Trump.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Andrew Jackson, who instituted the infamous "Trail of Tears" that cost the lives of so many Amerindians

It's stuff like that is why I claimed one of them and not necessarily the worst.
It may be that Trump has basically been the worst for dominate white (straight, Protestant Christian, and all that) groups. Every other group at some point has seen and suffered some seriously horrendous things at the hands of Uncle Sam. But I can't think of a previous president who's negligence is the direct result of so many deaths and crippling illness among the "WASP" demograph. But, for others, so many in the past and present have been far worse that even Pence has been worse for the LGBT community.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The spike in number of cases is due to more testing.

If this were true we would find cases spiking after a location makes testing more available and then the rate of cases to match the rate of tests being done, as "more tests leading to more cases" would explicitly mean the number of cases revolves inherently around the number of tests being done. But that's not what we see.

COVID has a 1% mortality rate.

It's actually 2% overall in US, but we cannot go by overall with this. Some groups it's closer to 20%. Some groups, such as young adults, are basically playing Russian Roulette with a virus that they'll probably be fine but if they aren't fine it can seriously mess them up or maybe even kill them. And how I use "probably" isn't of enough certainty that it should be taken lightly. Basically, the odds are about like playing Russian Roulette with a 5-chamber revolver. Those can be some pretty good odd under certain circumstances, particularly when the stakes are low. But the stakes are not low for anyone with this virus. Even the young and healthy have fallen terribly and chronically ill and died from this.

Trump was on the case when he needed to be.

He left the boarders open. No testing. No contact tracing. No mandates for masks or distancing. No shutting down of non-essential businesses. All he did was throw money it, refuse to take responsibility, fail to lead an organized and united national effort, and instead he just let the states compete for resources and make all their own efforts (or lack there of) in whatever direction. And it really is no small or easy feat to divide the nation and fail to unify it during a disaster. Even Bush Jr. succeeded in that.

When we didn't know what we were dealing with.

Yeah. We did. Trump is on the record acknowledging he knew how serious this is. Just as he's on the record acknowledging he deliberately lied to the public about it.

Now his operation "Warp Speed" has created at least two vaccines in record breaking time.

Those companies say otherwise.

There isn't much more he can do to help lower cases of COVID

There is much he could have done, and especially a great deal he could have not done.

The media is lying about these lawsuits.

The judges are not. The voting committees are not.

Trump is still fighting and there is overwhelming evidence of fraud in several States.

Is this why his cases are repeatedly being dismissed based on the fact they have no evidence?

These battleground States have yet to certify their elections so there is no "President-Elect Biden".

And yet nothing has changed. That sounds scarcely different than the Lib-Dem claims the EC would save us from Trump based on snippet of what Hamilton wrote.

There is no reason to transition if Biden didn't win.

He did win. Just accept it.

I believe Trump has many means of victory in this election.

I'm sure Trump believes that in his fantasy world where normally he gets to control everything but now he finds he controls nothing. Presidents, he is learning, really aren't like kings or emperors. There's been a reason people keep telling him that. This is it.

 

[Kenny]

History will remember him as a turd, one of the worst presidents in US history.

Talk to me in 15 years.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Talk to me in 15 years.

When all the history books talk about the man-baby who couldn't accept his defeat and bunkered down in the White House for weeks in case someone tried to remove him?

Can't wait.

 

[Kenny]

When all the history books talk about the man-baby who couldn't accept his defeat and bunkered down in the White House for weeks in case someone tried to remove him?

Can't wait.

And if he wins......... everybody that didn't want him will declare "foul" - even if it was legally correct. (Just look at the Supreme Court nomination)

 

[metis]

The question of legality was not the issue with Barrette.

 

[Revoltingest]

Every other group at some point has seen and suffered some seriously horrendous things at the hands of Uncle Sam. But I can't think of a previous president who's negligence is the direct result of so many deaths and crippling illness among the "WASP" demograph.

What if one included foreign deaths?
Now Trump isn't the worst.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Talk to me in 15 years.

Will do. Well still remember him as a turd, much like Bush Jr is basically a turd.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What if one included foreign deaths?
Now Trump isn't the worst.

It would make him more normal.

 

[Kenny]

Will do. Well still remember him as a turd, much like Bush Jr is basically a turd.

your the second person to use the word "turd" in less that 2 hours. Is there a coalition that is going on?

PS... My grandmother use to use that word. Maybe there is a resurgence of what was before.