Trump: "Did nothing wrong, there are no charges against him."

[idav]

Bush lied 27 times while President, Trump lies 27 times a day.

If your savvy enough you can lie under oath but doesn’t make it right just being able to get away with it and not always legal either. Your op is promoting the saying “it’s only illegal if you get caught”, may be true technically but not in reality.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Bush lied 27 times while President, Trump lies 27 times a day.

It's now clear and just has to run its course, the whole fam damly will be in jail (or testifying against Trump) within a year. The A.J. of New York State is suing Trump Foundation (and its officers, e.g., the wife and the kids). The data from that suit has been passed to the I.R.S. and D.O.J. This will, in the end, result in a civil judgement against Trump and criminal complaints against the rest of the family, it really warrants a RICO Investigation (The RICO Act focuses specifically on racketeering and allows the leaders of a syndicate, that's Trump, to be tried for the crimes they ordered others to do or assisted them in doing, closing a perceived loophole that allowed a person who instructed someone else to, for example, murder, to be exempt from the trial because they did not actually commit the crime personally).

Most importantly this will trigger an audit of his taxes and that be to Trump what the tapes were to Nixon.

Collusion with the Russians is just icing on the cake ... he's toast even without it.

Agreed. His reign in office has been painful, and frightening.

 

[sayak83]

A year and a half into the Bush II administration things were looking just fine economically. And while the Afghanistan invasion looked messy, the real disasters were still to come.

You can't really compare the two until Trump leaves office.
Tom

My question is. Why was there no talk of impeaching Bush II during the 2nd term?
I am trying to gauge what is the barometer that decides that a president is unfit for office.

 

[Sapiens]

My question is. Why was there no talk of impeaching Bush II during the 2nd term?
I am trying to gauge what is the barometer that decides that a president is unfit for office.

It requires, at a minimum, control of the House by the opposing party.

 

[Ellen Brown]

My question is. Why was there no talk of impeaching Bush II during the 2nd term?
I am trying to gauge what is the barometer that decides that a president is unfit for office.

There was some talk about impeaching him, but it did not get traction.

 

[sayak83]

It requires, at a minimum, control of the House by the opposing party.

So it is possible to get into a situation that no matter the quality of the president, he/she can be impeached if the opposition is in control of the House?

 

[Sapiens]

Then there is the fact that Melania Trump undertook paid work while in the United States on a tourist visa, she definitely violated her status, and if it came to immigration’s attention, they certainly could put her into removal proceedings. In fact, Ms Trump's citizenship could still be revoked on the grounds that she willfully misrepresented or concealed facts relevant to her naturalization. Would Baron be placed with his Grandparents, who are now U.S. Citizens by the "Chain Migration" rules that Donald Trump so hates, or would they too be deported because of Melania's fraud? If Melania and her parents were deported and the older Trump children were all in Jail ... would Baron be put into the child protective system like a poor Guatemalan?

Quite a family, eh?

 

[Sapiens]

So it is possible to get into a situation that no matter the quality of the president, he/she can be impeached if the opposition is in control of the House?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Impeachment in the United States is the process by which the lower house of a legislature brings charges against a civil officer of government for crimes alleged to have been committed, analogous to the bringing of an indictment by a grand jury. At the federal level, this is done by the House of Representatives. Most impeachments have concerned alleged crimes committed while in office, though there have been a few cases in which officials have been impeached and subsequently convicted for prior crimes.[1] The impeached official remains in office until a trial is held. That trial, and their removal from office if convicted, is separate from the act of impeachment itself. Analogous to a trial before a judge and jury, these proceedings are (where the legislature is bicameral) conducted by upper house of the legislature, which at the federal level is the Senate.

At the federal level, Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 of the Constitution grants to the House of Representatives "the sole power of impeachment", and Article I, Section 3, Clause 6 grants to the Senate "the sole Power to try all Impeachments". In considering articles of impeachment, the House is obligated to base any charges on the constitutional standards specified in Article II, Section 4: "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors".[2] (Full text of clauses Wikisource has information on "Constitution of the United States of America" )

Impeachment can also occur at the state level. Each state's legislature can impeach state officials, including the governor, in accordance with their respective state constitution.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Then there is the fact that Melania Trump undertook paid work while in the United States on a tourist visa, she definitely violated her status, and if it came to immigration’s attention, they certainly could put her into removal proceedings. In fact, Ms Trump's citizenship could still be revoked on the grounds that she willfully misrepresented or concealed facts relevant to her naturalization. Would Baron be placed with his Grandparents, who are now U.S. Citizens by the "Chain Migration" rules that Donald Trump so hates, or would they too be deported because of Melania's fraud? If Melania and her parents were deported and the older Trump children were all in Jail ... would Baron be put into the child protective system like a poor Guatemalan?

Quite a family, eh?

She was a model and they travel all over the world so it is my guess that she did not intentionally break the law because she was just going where the agency sent her. Besides, Donald is the Mafia boss, not her. I don't wish her any trouble.

 

[Sapiens]

She's still an officer of the criminal Trump Foundation and a tax cheat along with her husband (joint return I'm told) and, thankfully, is likely to wind up with at least a short prison term unless she turns state's evidence. Anyway, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

[ecco]

On a different note.
Can someone explain why George W Bush is not worse than Trump by dragging US in an illegal war after lying about Iraq's WMD-s , and also condoning torture? Isn't he also not responsible for not regulating the financial markets that led to 2008 financial meltdown?

Trump is shady, immoral and incompetent. But objectively speaking Bush would be the worst one in terms of damage caused to US and the world. Would that be correct?

That's a very interesting observation. I'll have to think long and hard before commenting.

 

[tytlyf]

So it is possible to get into a situation that no matter the quality of the president, he/she can be impeached if the opposition is in control of the House?

Impeachment is a political tactic. Republicans controlled both houses until 2006. Then democrats took over both houses after the WMD lie, Iraq botch and the failed hurricane Katrina response.

Even Donald supported impeaching GWB.

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[Sapiens]

Why are Trump and Juliani worried about a "perjury trap"? Aside from the easy way out, e.g. just tell the truth ... they both maintain that the President can not be indited. That makes it an entirely toothless trap.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Why are Trump and Juliani worried about a "perjury trap"? Aside from the easy way out, e.g. just tell the truth ... they both maintain that the President can not be indited. That makes it an entirely toothless trap.

I wanted the war monger Bush prosecuted for his acts in Iraq, but was told that a President can not be prosecuted for acts committed while President. I gave up because I was so happy to have him gone.

 

[Falvlun]

I wanted the war monger Bush prosecuted for his acts in Iraq, but was told that a President can not be prosecuted for acts committed while President. I gave up because I was so happy to have him gone.

I think the argument only applied to acts committed in capacity of the Presidency. This somewhat makes sense to avoid prosecution of political differences. But if the President goes and shoots a man on 5th Avenue, I don’t see how he could be shielded from prosecution.

 

[tytlyf]

Why are Trump and Juliani worried about a "perjury trap"? Aside from the easy way out, e.g. just tell the truth ... they both maintain that the President can not be indited. That makes it an entirely toothless trap.

The 'perjury trap' line is a distraction. A new conspiracy pushed by RW media entertainment. They like to tell their audience that the FBI will find Donald guilty if he lies or not. It's a TARP!

Donald won't testify because his lawyers know he'll screw up. That's what he does.

 

[Shad]

Don’t talk about the Op like that. JK. Seriously though how many crooks can you surround yourself with and still call yourself innocent? Don’t worry it’s rhetorical, I know, innocent until you have money to prove otherwise etc.

No innocent until proven guilty. Also guilt by association is fallacious.

 

[metis]

No innocent until proven guilty.

I agree, but it doesn't look good for Trump right now based on what's been coming out, plus what his reaction has been. "If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck, there's a good chance it's a duck."

 

[`mud]

What we have here now is a nest of quacking ducks,
and Mueller is the fox, or what that was, was chickens !
Where's the boiling water, and the axe !

 

[Shad]

I agree, but it doesn't look good for Trump right now based on what's been coming out, plus what his reaction has been. "If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck, there's a good chance it's a duck."

Affirming of speculation.