Shushersbedamned
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Trump enters the North Korea talks with one foot in a bucket
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It wasn't just Obama's deal. Compared to the Singapore meeting between Trump & Kim, the Iranian deal has to be considered golden, which is why the other signatories are still adhering to it.
Meanwhile, in Singapore Trump made an absolute fool of himself, and then there's the G-7 fiasco whereas Marcon said Trump was "incoherent". Even many Republicans publicly have said they believe that Trump gave away the ship with Kim, thus getting nothing that can be verified back in return.
esmith
Veteran Member
Please explain how you consider it "golden" when
1. Inspectors are not allowed inside Iranian military sites
2. Iran can "self verify"
3. Iran can develop ICBM's
4. Iran can develop nuclear weapons at a future date.
So you would be OK if the same sweetheart deal was given to the North Koreans.
Yeah, what is the old P.T. Barnum saying? Something about a sucker is born every minute and the community organizer Obama is a prime example.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
There are more inspectors in Iran than with any such previous agreement with any other country in modern times. Do you really think these countries are that stupid, esmith.
That was not part of the agreement, but neither is it with NK.
That can be renegotiated.
Trump gave up a lot with nothing tangible in return.
Yep, and the "sucker" ain't me, esmith, and even many Republicans are not happy with Trump's new bromance.
esmith
Veteran Member
You do realize don't you that there has been no agreement signed with North Korea yet.
Yes, I think "these" countries put business dealings above security and all the Obama wanted was something to enhance his legacy......which will be the worst President in modern history.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Not in this administration. Only yes men allowed....
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Actually there was-- two pages worth.
Keep telling yourself that as your super-hero continues to praise the likes of Kim, Putin, and Xi, while at the same time dissing our allies. Which side are you on, esmith? This doesn't bother you? Imagine if Obama had sided with these thugs, what would your reaction have been?
esmith
Veteran Member
So what was specified in these two pages that Chairman Kim and President Trump signed.
Be specific, please.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Underhill
Well-Known Member
You are half right. He is adept at jumping without looking. He tends to land wherever the hell he likes... all over the map...
esmith
Veteran Member
What problems do you have with each of these?. From the article you linked
Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:
1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
You do not agree peace and prosperity of the US and North Korea
2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
Interesting, you do not want peace? What do you want war?
3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
So you do not want to see North Korea denuclearized?
4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.
You do not want the remains of POW/MIA remains from the Korean War?
Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit — the first in history — was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-up negotiations, led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.
(Signed)
DONALD J. TRUMP
President of the United States of America
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Shushersbedamned
Well-Known Member
What is Korean peninsula?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Typical "esmith"-- never admit you're wrong even when it's obvious you were.
And since I've already posted my pros and cons on the agreement, then there's no need for me to go any further-- at least at this time.
esmith
Veteran Member
What the hell are you talking about? You have not presented any pros or cons about anything in this thread about the agreement.
Oh, I'll admit I'm wrong when you can prove it......
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sorry as my pro-con comment is on a different but related thread. You've seen the con part, and the pro part is my hope that even though this process was done bass-ackwards, plus my feeling that Kim is likely just "playing" Trump, at least there is maybe a possibility that some good could still come out of it.