Trump has made us grownups~~~~~~~

[columbus]

Sorry. Gnosis teaches not to judge the flesh, so I don't. Jesus helped people and was killed for it through those who were ignorant. It's not what we "see", as you suppose. But where the path leads.

Sorry.
I try to avoid basing my understanding of Reality on the opinions of people who are deluded by such things.
Tom

 

[Father Heathen]

Carrying? What?

For the record, I don't see the anti-Trump folks being more cogent and understanding than they were in the past. Likewise they don't seem terribly inclined towards forgiveness as far as Trump is concerned or towards anyone outside of their clique of what passes for understanding.

Is this another one of those echo chamber thingies?

If the anti-trump crowd just tried to be more understanding, they would see that Trump is a very articulate, elegant, and meticulous speaker whose words exhibit a profound level of depth, wisdom, and awareness.

 

[Phantasman]

Sorry.
I try to avoid basing my understanding of Reality on the opinions of people who are deluded by such things.
Tom

Understood. Reality has to based on something, and we don't always see the same thing.

 

[YmirGF]

If the anti-trump crowd just tried to be more understanding, they would see that Trump is a very articulate, elegant, and meticulous speaker whose words exhibit a profound level of depth, wisdom, and awareness.

I would never suggest that Trump is a fount of wisdom or has any thing approaching "profound depth". That doesn't mean that his detractors do.

 

[Nakosis]

Trump has made us grownups~~~~~~~

Carrying

Understanding

Forgiving​

Qualities only~~

Trump

Possesses.,.,,

In my view

What see you?​

Desiderata - Wikipedia

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I don't know the man really. He doesn't seem very savvy in catering to the needs of the news media.

Most presidents I suspect had advisors to at least caution them on how to limit bad press.

He doesn't seem to take advice from anyone. If he could just clone himself to fill his staff I think that he'd be happy.

He is certain of who he is and doesn't care what anybody else thinks about him. Some people admire his apparent independence which they would like to emulate.

Maybe the presidency is too much for one man to handle without advisors.

 

[Father Heathen]

I would never suggest that Trump is a fount of wisdom or has any thing approaching "profound depth". That doesn't mean that his detractors do.

I know you wouldn't, but you seem to be faulting people for calling a spade a spade. I strongly disliked Bush, but Trump makes him look good in comparison. He has performed and behaved like a complete imbecile, and I don't understand why people would pretend otherwise and then trip over themselves to support and defend him just because he represents their corner of the political spectrum.

 

[YmirGF]

I know you wouldn't, but you seem to be faulting people for calling a spade a spade. I strongly disliked Bush, but Trump makes him look good in comparison. He has performed and behaved like a complete imbecile, and I don't understand why people would pretend otherwise and then trip over themselves to support and defend him just because he represents their corner of the political spectrum.

So, the hyper-hysteria over Trump is calling a shovel a shovel? (I'll ignore the subliminal racism in your comment.)

 

[Revoltingest]

So, the hyper-hysteria over Trump is calling a shovel a shovel? (I'll ignore the subliminal racism in your comment.)

I see a huge divide in evaluating politicians.....
For some, the Prez is a leader, idol, exemplar, father figure, ie, a person liked or hated for personal traits.
For others, his record in office is what matters, with the personal traits being largely irrelevant.
Bush certainly comes off better as a human being than Trump.
People who feel that strongly will prefer Bush, Obama, Oprah & other appealing personalities.

Looking at records though, a different picture emerges.....Trump (so far) isn't that bad...not really worst than Bush.
Let's look at some things which really matter (things he strongly influences)....
- No new wars started. (Of course, if he starts one, then he becomes a terrible president.)
- Tax reform with some positives, eg, phasing out spendy deductions for home interest & property taxes.
- Ditching the Obamacare penalty for not buying insurance.
- Rancor due to moving the Israeli embassy.
- Immigration reform....it's a work in progress, but heading in the direction of merit (like Canuckistan), but away from chains & lotteries looks good.
- His pi$$ing match with Kim Jong Un....the jury is out on whether this will turn out well or be the disaster of the decade.
- His management of departments & cabinets has been disorganized & lacking....we'll see where it leads.
- Doomsday predictions by opposition have failed to materialize: He's not Hitler. The press is still free.

Certainly, reasonable people can disagree about whether Trump's record is above or below average.
But I urge basing it upon what he effects in policy & government, not upon personality & personal flaws.

 

[Father Heathen]

So, the hyper-hysteria over Trump is calling a shovel a shovel? (I'll ignore the subliminal racism in your comment.)

Trump does/says something dumb, people point out that it's dumb, and that equates "hyper-hysteria"? As the "subliminal racism", lolwhat. No, no. Please, by all means highlight it.

Edit: Oh, was it "calling a spade a spade" that's supposed to be racist?

Call a spade a spade - Wikipedia

I wasn't even aware that "spade" was considered a racial slur, and the idiom predates the slur by quite a few centuries. I'm surprised that you of all people would use SJW tactics.

 

[Revoltingest]

So, the hyper-hysteria over Trump is calling a shovel a shovel? (I'll ignore the subliminal racism in your comment.)

Some day I must tell you the joke about the nun, the Mother Superior, & the shovel.

 

[columbus]

So, the hyper-hysteria over Trump is calling a shovel a shovel? (I'll ignore the subliminal racism in your comment.)

No, the anger is over Trump shoveling the BS ever deeper. In ways that are often dishonest and divisive.
Tom

 

[Enoch07]

Trump had made us grown ups laugh harder than we ever have.

You gotta admit, he is great for the comedians/pundits. Here is John Oliver begging Trump to run.

Tsk tsk so selfish and greedy to beg a man like Trump to run for President just so he can have material.

 

[suncowiam]

Carrying? What?

For the record, I don't see the anti-Trump folks being more cogent and understanding than they were in the past. Likewise they don't seem terribly inclined towards forgiveness as far as Trump is concerned or towards anyone outside of their clique of what passes for understanding.

Is this another one of those echo chamber thingies?

I can see Trump supporters being less and less cogent and understanding by the day with every Trump action they support and defend.

I think Trump said it best himself. He could commit a crime in public and Trump supporters will still defend his actions.

 

[YmirGF]

No, the anger is over Trump shoveling the BS ever deeper. In ways that are often dishonest and divisive.
Tom

At the same time, Tom, I can remember many a morning where I had to practically hose down my 84 year old mom as she was apoplectic about Obama's latest lie. It took me awhile to get her to see that he was not in fact lying, but rather, he was simply being extremely selective of the facts he was using. In regards to your last question, which politician - ever has not been a master of the art of BS spreading. Granted Trump is in a slot all his own, but seriously, all these millionaires we elect are lying through their shiny white teeth.

I can see Trump supporters being less and less cogent and understanding by the day with every Trump action they support and defend.

M'kay.

I think Trump said it best himself. He could commit a crime in public and Trump supporters will still defend his actions.

The amusing thing about this trope is that Trump rightly stated a fact about almost anyone in the spotlight. Regardless of who it is, there will always be some that will go along with anything. It was hardly a new idea when he trotted it out. It is certainly true about Saint Hillary and Saint Obama.