Trump impeachment,would witnesses have made a difference?

[McBell]

There are many Trump haters who not only hate Donald J.Trump as well as us Trump followers, but they also seem to hate capitalism and America being the most powerful and prosperous nation in history.

Thats just a big steaming pile of bull **** Trump supporters tell themselves in order to feel good about their supporting Trump

 

[Watchmen]

Not that it would matter anyway.
I mean, he already lost the popular vote once...

Popular vote is irrelevant. If the election was won by popular vote we don’t know who would have won. The candidates would have campaigned differently and people who didn’t vote might vote and vice versa.

 

[Subduction Zone]

President Obama broke campaign finance laws, and the Republican controlled House of Representatives never had the audacity to draft articles of impeachment against President Obama.

Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

Yes, too a much smaller degree and he payed the price. Trump tried to illegally cover up his illegal activities and that is also against the law. If you remember the Watergate break in it was the coverup that force Nixon to resign more than the event itself. At least Nixon had some integrity. The same cannot be claimed about Trump.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are many Trump haters who not only hate Donald J.Trump as well as us Trump followers, but they also seem to hate capitalism and America being the most powerful and prosperous nation in history.

Why would you say this? You have to know that it is false. You can do better than this. But then our country can do a hell of a lot better than Trump.

When a person supports an immoral and corrupt leader that persons only morals are brought into question. Something to think about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Popular vote is irrelevant. If the election was won by popular vote we don’t know who would have won. The candidates would have campaigned differently and people who didn’t vote might vote and vice versa.

Possible, but getting a million and a half people at least to change their mind might be more difficult than you think. In fact if we had a popular vote I would have voted for Hillary, as much as I dislike her. I live in a state where my vote does not matter and I voted in protest against both candidates. If my vote mattered I would have voted otherwise.

 

[Watchmen]

Possible, but getting a million and a half people at least to change their mind might be more difficult than you think. In fact if we had a popular vote I would have voted for Hillary, as much as I dislike her. I live in a state where my vote does not matter and I voted in protest against both candidates. If my vote mattered I would have voted otherwise.

You have no idea. I have no idea. Campaigns etc would be different.

 

[esmith]

"The Bidens" or Hunter Biden? If I'm not mistaken, Hunter is a grown man, an adult, capable in law of making his own decisions for himself, and without seeking his father's permission -- or even against his father's strongest advice and warning. And the evidence is clear that in fact, Joe Biden did caution his son, asking him, "are you sure you know what you're doing?"

How would you, as a father, force your own adult son not to do what you don't want him to? Take him to court (which court)? Tie him up in the basement? Shoot him?

Well I would attempt to explain to him or her that what they do reflects back on me, especially if I am the President/Vice President/Senator/Representative/Governor/etc.

 

[Shad]

It sure seemed apparent even before the impeachment.

In the UK there would be a vote of "no confidence" in parliament but if Republicans have a majority I guess that's a no go.

Impeachment was designed to avoid that. The Founders modified British impeachment of the King's representatives into POTUS impeachment.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Well I would attempt to explain to him or her that what they do reflects back on me, especially if I am the President/Vice President/Senator/Representative/Governor/etc.

And do you know that didn't happen around the dinner table, or over a private family phone call? But if that doesn't work (I'm told Hunter said, "Yes, I know what I'm doing"), what will you do then?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no idea. I have no idea. Campaigns etc would be different.

No, you may not have any idea, do not make that claim for others.

 

[Watchmen]

No, you may not have any idea, do not make that claim for others.

You don’t. You can’t. You have ZERO idea what the popular vote would be. Don’t kid yourself. Hillary might win by a landslide. Trump might win by a landslide. Or maybe it would have been close, a real nail biter. You cannot know because the campaigning would have been drastically different, rendering the source information for the 2016 election irrelevant.

The fact you said in a prior post Trump would have to get 1.5 million people to change their minds shows you don’t get it.

 

[SoyLeche]

You have no idea. I have no idea. Campaigns etc would be different.

The demographics of the country itself would make it difficult for a republican of today to win the popular vote (Just the urban/rural split is probably enough, and it’s just going to get more urban). You can argue that the parties would be different if voting were done like that, which would probably be a good thing overall.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don’t. You can’t. You have ZERO idea what the popular vote would be. Don’t kid yourself. Hillary might win by a landslide. Trump might win by a landslide. Or maybe it would have been close, a real nail biter. You cannot know because the campaigning would have been drastically different, rendering the source information for the 2016 election irrelevant.

The fact you said in a prior post Trump would have to get 1.5 million people to change their minds shows you don’t get it.

No, neither of your first two possibilities just would not happen. And you have no clue.

 

[Watchmen]

No, neither of your first two possibilities just would not happen. And you have no clue.

You don’t know that. You’re a pretender. It might be close, but the point here is that those who talk about the popular vote in debates almost four years after the fact don’t know what the hell they're talking about. Kind of like your 1.5 million “change their minds” comment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don’t know that. You’re a pretender. It might be close, but the point here is that those who talk about the popular vote in debates almost four years after the fact don’t know what the hell they're talking about. Kind of like your 1.5 million “change their minds” comment.

You really have no clue, or else you cannot do rather basic math.

 

[Watchmen]

You really have no clue, or else you cannot do rather basic math.

You can’t do the math on unknown numbers. Your thinking is two dimensional at best.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can’t do the math on unknown numbers. Your thinking is two dimensional at best.

No, you are making the mistake of thinking one must start from scratch. That is far more unreasonable than any assumptions that I am making.

 

[Ayjaydee]

Nope

 

[Watchmen]

No, you are making the mistake of thinking one must start from scratch. That is far more unreasonable than any assumptions that I am making.

You’re assuming you can start with the popular vote results. That’s ridiculous. Do you not understand that the campaign strategy would have been completely different had the rules been win by popular vote? And that means the results could have been vastly different as well?

 

[Ponder This]

once again - impeachment and removal from office is not a criminal or civil trial. It is a political process.

Once Again?

The Constitution explicitly calls for impeachments to be tried in the Senate.
"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments." from Article I, Section 3, Clause 6

Are you actually suggesting that the Senate can place the President (or any elected or appointed official for that matter) on trial for impeachment indefinitely?