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Trump in the Clink

Off to the slammer first up is?

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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paradox said:
Trump was cooperating with the government and for this reason this raid was unnecessary and inappropriate
Donald Trump FBI raid: Agents made unannounced visit to ex-president's Florida home Mar-a-Lago | Euronews
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That's really not how this works.
Him complaining about them opening his safe is both a clear pointer to how his cooperation was limited or conditional, and why legal search warrants are issued rather than just saying 'old mate seems to be answering our questions, so let's assume everything's peachy'.

If due process hasn't been followed, this is obviously problematic. Are you suggesting that?
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Jayhawker Soule said:
Silly/unserious poll. Let me nevertheless add that I think the chance of Trump serving jail time is vanishingly small.
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I like silly and unserious. I agree with your last sentence though.

Best chance of getting him imprisoned is that he forces the issue through some direct public action now, in response to the investigations.

Maybe if they just keep tweaking his nipples for a while...
Err...metaphorical nipples I mean. Sorry for any mental imagery that led to.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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paradox said:
Trump was cooperating with the government and for this reason this raid was unnecessary and inappropriate
Donald Trump FBI raid: Agents made unannounced visit to ex-president's Florida home Mar-a-Lago | Euronews
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Hey! Eric was probably right in that article:

The ex-president's second-oldest son, Eric Trump, told Fox News that the FBI's search was related to an investigation into the handling of the US National Archives.

So were these people:

In February, the National Archives retrieved from Mar-a-Lago 15 boxes of official documents related to the Trump presidency which contained classified material.

All communication surrounding presidential duties, such as emails and work documents, has to be preserved under US law.

However, officials claim Trump illegally ripped up many documents, with the National Archives saying some had to be repaired with tape. Trump was in New York City at the time of Monday's raid.

It looks like Trump broke this law, which would mean that he cannot run again:

18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Mar-a-Lago: Republican uproar over FBI raid on Trump home

Ms Halligan told CBS she and another lawyer for Mr Trump were barred from entering the complex, and that the search was divided into three sections: a bedroom, office and storage area. "Complete overkill," she said. "If they needed documents, they could have asked."

Yes, this is how the police should always investigate crimes - being so polite would make such a difference. :oops:
 
paradox

paradox

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Subduction Zone said:
It looks like Trump broke this law, which would mean that he cannot run again:
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The news also say:
While a search warrant does not suggest criminal charges, federal officials looking to obtain one must convince a judge that they have probable cause that a crime occurred.
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I'm not very familiar with trump case but judging by the news so far this all looks like some revenge to me, and if FBI fails to validate their raid this will only prove that the government is taking on on Trump.

lewisnotmiller said:
That's really not how this works.
Him complaining about them opening his safe is both a clear pointer to how his cooperation was limited or conditional, and why legal search warrants are issued rather than just saying 'old mate seems to be answering our questions, so let's assume everything's peachy'.
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I'm sure if Trump (or anyone on his level of intelligence) have something of great value to hide such as national archives with who knows how great potential, then they would hide it somewhere where the FBI would not search or somewhere difficult to find, a safe in a house is certainly not safe for such things since it's not immune to FBI and Trump I'm sure knew that if he really had something to steal from the government.
It will certainly be interesting to see how will FBI prove Trump for criminal charges, only time will tell.

lewisnotmiller said:
If due process hasn't been followed, this is obviously problematic. Are you suggesting that?
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I'm sure FBI agents are that stupid to go into action with a risk of braking the law.
Maybe there are holes in the law which the FBI exploited to cover their operations, and for this reason Trump likely won't be able to prove FBI wrong.
 
paradox

paradox

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Secret Chief said:
Please clarify.
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Put yourself in a position of ex. president, you know how below the belt blows are dealt on a royal level, and suppose you stole some valuable documents with potential to deal harm.
What would you do with those documents?
 
Secret Chief

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
paradox said:
Put yourself in a position of ex. president, you know how below the belt blows are dealt on a royal level, and suppose you stole some valuable documents with potential to deal harm.
What would you do with those documents?
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I meant clarify his intelligence.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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paradox said:
I'm not very familiar with trump case but judging by the news so far this all looks like some revenge to me, ...
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You're not very informed but you're more than willing to malign the FBI. Got it.

paradox said:
..., and if FBI fails to validate their raid this will only prove that the government is taking on on Trump.
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And if the DOJ succeeds in validating the raid this will only prove that the government is taking on Trump. This is precisely what "no one is above the law" actually means in practice. You've achieved little beyond exposing a sick Trumpian bias.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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paradox said:
Do you think FBI or individual employees are above the law?
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No. Why would you ask?

Parenthetically:
  • the current head of the FBI is Christopher Wray was nominated as Assistant Attorney General by Bush and was picked as Director by Trump and confirmed in the Senate by a vote of 92 to 5, and
  • the judge who approved the action is Judge Bruce Reinhart - a Trump appointee.
Lay off the kool-aid and whine less.
 
paradox

paradox

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Jayhawker Soule said:
No. Why would you ask?

Parenthetically:
  • the current head of the FBI is Christopher Wray was nominated as Assistant Attorney General by Bush and was picked as Director by Trump and confirmed in the Senate by a vote of 92 to 5, and
  • the judge who approved the action is Judge Bruce Reinhart - a Trump appointee.
Lay off the kool-aid and whine less.
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Here is one joke :)

There were various animals living in the woods.
Animals were doing the toilet thing all over the place and it become unbearable.
Thy nominated a bear to be a cop to deal with the issue and the bear made a toilet where animals could do their thing and he enacted a law that all animals must use the toilet.
Now a fox being an insidious animal broke the law and took a s*** in the middle of the woods.
The bear spotted her and so did the fox spot the bear seeing her and it become hot.
The fox come to idea and covered her s*** with hands, the bear approached and asked her what it is hiding.
The fox told she caught a butterfly.
The bear demanded that she move hands away and uncover what it is hiding.
She told it can't because butterfly will then escape.
The bear insisted and was very angry at her for refusing his demand since he is a cop.
The fox listened, uncovered and told the bear, oh gosh, look, now you scared the butterfly and he took a s***.
The bear was baffled since he could not prove the fox wrong.

You see, similarly (in reverse way) did the FBI raid Trump and when they realized they found nothing they come to idea to say that trump "Trump illegally ripped up many documents".

And now what?
While a search warrant does not suggest criminal charges, federal officials looking to obtain one must convince a judge that they have probable cause that a crime occurred.
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The bear must prove that a fox did not caught a butterfly.

I'm not saying that Trump indeed stole those documents, I'm saying that the FBI will have a hard time proving anything even tough their raid was legal.

That's how I see all those news.
 
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