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Trump is the best

Daemon Sophic

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....at being the singular worst president in the history of the USA.
Commentary: Seven reasons why Trump is the worst president ever

Even though this article is just over 1 year old, and does not encompass the more panic-induced insanity our demented conman of a “president” has wrought; it is still best for us to remember his ealier crimes, so as to avoid that doom from revisting our nation again this autumn.

If you are a true conservative, or even a fake one who was conned into worshipping Trump, then read the article above, please.

I am glad to see such ads as these below, created by conservative groups, who recognize the direct threat to our country that conman Trump represents.
We must all do our part in removing this stain from our nation.
Conservative groups release new anti-Trump ads
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
....at being the singular worst president in the history of the USA.
Commentary: Seven reasons why Trump is the worst president ever

Even though this article is just over 1 year old, and does not encompass the more panic-induced insanity our demented conman of a “president” has wrought; it is still best for us to remember his ealier crimes, so as to avoid that doom from revisting our nation again this autumn.

If you are a true conservative, or even a fake one who was conned into worshipping Trump, then read the article above, please.

I am glad to see such ads as these below, created by conservative groups, who recognize the direct threat to our country that conman Trump represents.
We must all do our part in removing this stain from our nation.
Conservative groups release new anti-Trump ads
I find it fascinating that the 7 reasons are about his personal traits & predilections.
(The list should be called "Why I hate Trump", eh.)
There's no mention of actual effects in office.
If one considers those, then we have some powerful contenders for the worst President ever.

This is just the short list off the top'o me head...
- GW Bush, who led us into a couple of the most unproductive, deadly,
& costly wars in history. People don't generally think of him now as
being terrible because he's a likeable goofball.
- R Reagan, who was responsible for nearly a million deaths in our proxy
war against Iran, which also set the stage for our enduring problem with
Islamic terrorism. Oh, we supplied Iraq with bio & chem WMDs.
Twas evil with a kindly grandfatherly demeanor.
- Andrew Jackson....need I say more than leading the Democrats' fight
to keep & expand slavery? OK....the Trail Of Tears.

Trump's record isn't all that bad in terms of larger issues. But he's
been lucky. Remember that he actually started a war with Iran, but
called it off at the last minute. So he's still dangerous, just not a
danger yet fully realized.

Be careful about how you evaluate a President. There's so much
more at stake than his being a horrible person....there's what that
person causes to happen while in office & thereafter.
 
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Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
GW Bush, who led us into a couple of the most unproductive, deadly,
& costly wars in history. People don't generally think of him now as
being terrible because he's a likeable goofball.
Can't fault the guy, that is a good strategy (being a goofball that is, I use it myself).

Trump's record isn't all that bad in terms of larger issues.
For me, the way he handled COVID is a part of his record that sticks out to me.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I'm still not fully convinced that Trump is worse than Bush jr., lying and conning the US and several other countries into the Iraq war.
But he sure has done more stupid and outrageous things than any president before him. I think there hasn't been one week where he didn't bury one scandal in an other.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Trump's record isn't all that bad in terms of larger issues. But he's
been lucky. Remember that he actually started a war with Iran, but
called it off at the last minute. So he's still dangerous, just not a
danger yet fully realized.

Corruption at every turn is to me much worse. He's against honesty, honor, truth, justice and much more and has proven that by his acts.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I find it fascinating that the 7 reasons are about his personal traits & predilections.
(The list should be called "Why I hate Trump", eh.)
There's no mention of actual effects in office.
If one considers those, then we have some powerful contenders for the worst President ever.

This is just the short list off the top'o me head...
- GW Bush, who led us into a couple of the most unproductive, deadly,
& costly wars in history. People don't generally think of him now as
being terrible because he's a likeable goofball.
- R Reagan, who was responsible for nearly a million deaths in our proxy
war against Iran, which also set the stage for our enduring problem with
Islamic terrorism. Oh, we supplied Iraq with bio & chem WMDs.
Twas evil with a kindly grandfatherly demeanor.
- Andrew Jackson....need I say more than leading the Democrats' fight
to keep & expand slavery? OK....the Trail Of Tears.

Trump's record isn't all that bad in terms of larger issues. But he's
been lucky. Remember that he actually started a war with Iran, but
called it off at the last minute. So he's still dangerous, just not a
danger yet fully realized.

Be careful about how you evaluate a President. There's so much
more at stake than his being a horrible person....there's what that
person causes to happen while in office & thereafter.
For myself, let's ignore his personal issues, and talk about just one policy issue. His Administration has just gone to the Supreme Court -- in the middle of a pandemic -- to ask it to reject the ACA. One wonders, if the Supremes were to do so, how many people might die because they can no longer afford the care they need if the get the virus.

Is this the leadership that's wanted just now? Really?
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
For me, the way he handled COVID is a part of his record that sticks out to me.

TBH, diseases give most Presidents trouble... Let's face it few are elected on their ability to deal with that. Trump is doing O.K. with it... At least he seems to take it seriously... One of my biggest beefs with Obama was in his handling of the Swine Flu. Man, it couldn't have been done worse. That, and sending planes of money to Iran, a true WTH moment.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Not surprised to see the republican electorate choose someone worse than Bush Jr. They like recessions apparently.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
For myself, let's ignore his personal issues, and talk about just one policy issue. His Administration has just gone to the Supreme Court -- in the middle of a pandemic -- to ask it to reject the ACA. One wonders, if the Supremes were to do so, how many people might die because they can no longer afford the care they need if the get the virus.

Is this the leadership that's wanted just now? Really?
Evaluating a President isn't about selecting a single policy
which has yet to be effected...& might never be.

To those who rank Trump as the worst....
Any problem with the evils wrought by the Presidents I listed?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Evaluating a President isn't about selecting a single policy
which has yet to be effected...& might never be.

To those who rank Trump as the worst....
Any problem with the evils wrought by the Presidents I listed?
I've never been persuaded that anyone is perfect -- even my personal favourite leaders. I've never been persuaded that any of our leaders
have been totally bad, either. I didn't like our Prime Minister Stephen Harper, but I can't say I think he did this nation any damage. I didn't vote for Ontario's Premier, Doug Ford, either, and he made some bone-headed mistakes at the beginning of his term -- but he's been performing not badly lately. The pandemic has had a positive effect on his leadership qualities.

I don't fault slave-owning Presidents with owning slaves when that was just the way it was, and not to have owned slaves would have meant not competing.

However, Trump has laid claim to having "created the best economy ever," yet which of his policies, would you say, actually did that? Or is an economy always and forever a work i progress, largely out of the hands of any one policy maker?

For me, I hae not liked Trump or the republicans on health care, which plain and simple seeks to leave a lot of people hanging out to dry. Tax cuts, when you're running a trillion dollar deficit, are not good policy because they ignore the simple fact that somebody else is going to have to pay for them -- somebody who might not have been eligible to vote to agree to that imposition. In times of emergency, sure, but when times are good, that's when you pay down the debt, rather than raise it.

Betsy DeVos in education? Not a choice I'd ever make. Climate change haters in charge of EPA? Again, not a choice I'd make, because I do honestly think we need to at least pay some modicum of attention to what we're doing to the only place we are presently able to exist.

I don't have all the facts at my fingertips, sorry, or I'd go on. Sitting far from everybody on my favourite pub's patio, for the first time in months. (They'll never keep it going with the amount of business they can do in the present circumstances, which will sadden me.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I've never been persuaded that anyone is perfect -- even my personal favourite leaders. I've never been persuaded that any of our leaders
have been totally bad, either. I didn't like our Prime Minister Stephen Harper, but I can't say I think he did this nation any damage. I didn't vote for Ontario's Premier, Doug Ford, either, and he made some bone-headed mistakes at the beginning of his term -- but he's been performing not badly lately. The pandemic has had a positive effect on his leadership qualities.

I don't fault slave-owning Presidents with owning slaves when that was just the way it was, and not to have owned slaves would have meant not competing.

However, Trump has laid claim to having "created the best economy ever," yet which of his policies, would you say, actually did that? Or is an economy always and forever a work i progress, largely out of the hands of any one policy maker?

For me, I hae not liked Trump or the republicans on health care, which plain and simple seeks to leave a lot of people hanging out to dry. Tax cuts, when you're running a trillion dollar deficit, are not good policy because they ignore the simple fact that somebody else is going to have to pay for them -- somebody who might not have been eligible to vote to agree to that imposition. In times of emergency, sure, but when times are good, that's when you pay down the debt, rather than raise it.

Betsy DeVos in education? Not a choice I'd ever make. Climate change haters in charge of EPA? Again, not a choice I'd make, because I do honestly think we need to at least pay some modicum of attention to what we're doing to the only place we are presently able to exist.

I don't have all the facts at my fingertips, sorry, or I'd go on. Sitting far from everybody on my favourite pub's patio, for the first time in months. (They'll never keep it going with the amount of business they can do in the present circumstances, which will sadden me.)
These are clearly things you dislike about Trump.
And I completely understand it. He's an awful fellow.
It's just not how I evaluate Presidents.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
We have very different perspectives.
You speak of him.
I look at results.

Results? Going downhill on COVID-19 infections. Putting politics ahead of principle on every turn. Nominating incompetents to all sort of jobs. Nepotism. Being a laughing stock for decent world leaders. Giving goodies to billionaires. Trying to punish children for the crimes of their parents. Lying so much that I have zero trust in anything the government says. Praising white nationalist terrorists.

And I'm just getting started.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Results? Going downhill on COVID-19 infections. Putting politics ahead of principle on every turn. Nominating incompetents to all sort of jobs. Nepotism. Being a laughing stock for decent world leaders. Giving goodies to billionaires. Trying to punish children for the crimes of their parents. Lying so much that I have zero trust in anything the government says. Praising white nationalist terrorists.

And I'm just getting started.
You're still not addressing the biggest issues.
- No new wars.
- Winding down what we have.
- Better tax policy.
- Decent (better than expected) USSC justice nominations.
- Presumption of innocence to the accused.

Those things matter far more to me than your concerns,
eg, ferriners laughing at us. Their snide chortling rolls
off'n me like water off'n a duck's back.
So we merely have very different perspectives.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
TBH, diseases give most Presidents trouble... Let's face it few are elected on their ability to deal with that. Trump is doing O.K. with it... At least he seems to take it seriously... One of my biggest beefs with Obama was in his handling of the Swine Flu. Man, it couldn't have been done worse. That, and sending planes of money to Iran, a true WTH moment.
Then your biggest beefs with President Obama are based upon lies. Probably because you utilize fake news sources who lie almost as often as Trump does.
No, President Trump, the Coronavirus Is Nothing Like H1N1 Swine Flu Either — ProPublica

AP FACT CHECK: Trump revisits old fictions about Iran money
So, I’m sorry, but you’re wrong.
We have very different perspectives.
You speak of him.
I look at results.
Part of what you’re missing is that the President of the United States is our chief international ambassador. And international relations, like any business, are based upon trust and dependability, and yes, even forming friendships during the formation of contracts between the business partners. In this way Trump’s pathological lying and purposeful misinformation campaign, as well as his flagrant racism make dealings between the United States and other countries much less stable than if we have a sane president. These standard transactional dealings that Trump has failed in so miserably, lead both to the loss of billions upon billions of dollars in agreements with our partner nations, as well as a discernible political and even military instability across the face of the earth. Yes I am not exaggerating.
But not to worry because China and Russia have gobbled up all of the agreements that Trump has thrown away. So much for making us a stronger and greater nation.

Now let’s look at the original article and the seven points that you claim are just simple personality problems.
The first two points go to my line of thinking above. The second one; corruption, is in fact one of Trump’s campaign promises to drain the swamp. He did not. He in fact deepened the swamp, poisoned it, and filled it with rotting decay. It would take pages upon pages to discuss all the ways in which nepotism and flagrant corruption has infected the executive branch and even the judicial branch of the United States. McConnell is responsible for the parallel corruption in the legislative branch. You believe that Kavanaugh is a decent choice for the SCOTUS, but he already shows that he is not. That is material for a different thread.
The third point of him being a conman cannot be over-emphasized. His only significant achievement in the last 3 1/2 years has been a tax break for the wealthy. It has only benefited a few upper middle class people in the extreme short-term, but not to the extent of the damage that he has done to our economy in the long term, and it furthers the horrific and unsustainable economic situation with our income disparity in the United States, that Reagan started and Bush Junior amplified. :( To this day and forever more I will be particularly disgusted by how Trump tacked on the benefit to large scale real estate developers such as himself in his tax break for billionaires.
Point number four has definitive affects that you only have to watch the daily news and look out your window in many cases to see. Plus again it relates back to my main point above. This is not just a personality problem it is a policy problem for the United States. You should know better.
#5 is purely a policy point. His campaign of intentional misdirection and reversal of the tiny steps so far taken will cost us more than his four year term to recover from.
Donald Trump's Record on Climate Change
Points number 6 and 7 simply circle back to the corruption cited in point number two above, which in turn leads to international relations and are utter failure over the last four years, and the disgraceful impact it will have upon further international multibillion-dollar dealings and military settlements over the next 20 years at least.
Face it @Revoltingest this isn’t just about personality, it is about policy. At the level of POTUS, personality is policy and policy is personality, whether you know it or not. Trump is a disgrace and an utter failure. He has failed the American people’s trust and respect as well as our international relations, and he must be removed at all costs. He has failed United States business dealings and economy both internally and internationally, promoting civil unrest and international military instability worldwide, and he must be removed at all costs.
.....and this is the brief version of his list of crimes.

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Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
....at being the singular worst president in the history of the USA.
Commentary: Seven reasons why Trump is the worst president ever

Even though this article is just over 1 year old, and does not encompass the more panic-induced insanity our demented conman of a “president” has wrought; it is still best for us to remember his ealier crimes, so as to avoid that doom from revisting our nation again this autumn.

If you are a true conservative, or even a fake one who was conned into worshipping Trump, then read the article above, please.

I am glad to see such ads as these below, created by conservative groups, who recognize the direct threat to our country that conman Trump represents.
We must all do our part in removing this stain from our nation.
Conservative groups release new anti-Trump ads

Sorry, you want facts to influence people's political reasoning? There's a concept.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
We have very different perspectives.
You speak of him.
I look at results.

Results: terrible tax policy that exacerbates, income inequality, terrible trade policy that hurts American workers, terrible regulatory and environmental policy that worsens climate change, worsened international relations with a wide swath of other countries, including escalation with Iran and increased likelihood of nuclear standoff.

Trust me, I look at results. They havent been great, to say the least.
 
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