Clizby Wampuscat
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I am lookin at this fo rmyself. I do not trust MSNBC.
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When did Biden lie under oath?
SkepticThinker
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Lying under oath is a crime.
Subduction Zone
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No, it is corruption. The rulings were incredibly wrong. And where did Biden ever lie under oath? Maybe you meant Trump?
Heyo
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The rulings were wrong - from our point of view. That is indeed not corruption.
What is corruption is when Justices accept very expensive gifts (and not even declaring them). So, at least that form of corruption exists in the SCotUS.
The other form of corruption that might exist is much more difficult to prove. If it could be shown that the three Justices confirmed in Trumps term did conspire to overthrow Roe v. Wade and/or got paid for that that would also be corruption.
A third kind of corruption is not within the SCotUS but in the process of choosing Justices. Trump had basically sold his right to nominate judges and Justices to the Federalist Society in exchange for the Christian nationalist's vote.
Clizby Wampuscat
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When he took office, but this is not about Biden.
Clizby Wampuscat
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Never said it wasn't
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Again you just claim they are wrong. Maybe another thread to discuss if you like.
When did he lie when he took the oath of office? "Lying under oath" is a specific thing in courts of law, as I understand it. I've never seen evidence Biden has lied under oath. But these kinds of accusations get thrown around all the time to deflect and minimize the serious crimes Trump and his ilk have committed. That way people can reduce their cognitive dissonance when they vote for him.
SkepticThinker
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You acted as though it was nothing and just everybody does it all the time.
SkepticThinker
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What?
Clizby Wampuscat
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So I went to tis site and found some dialogue about the 14th amendment.
Research Guides: 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Primary Documents in American History: Digital Collections
Ratified in 1868, the 14th Amendment granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States." This guide provides access to digital collections, websites, and print materials related to the amendment.
guides.loc.gov
What MSNBC did was take a exchange from two senators before they passed the amendment. That was a debate. There are other exchanges about it not including the president or vice president. Why are those exchanges not referenced as well? There was also articles written after it was passed that it excluded the president and vice president. It was not clear then and it is not clear now if it does or does not include the president and vice president. So why would you defer to what the government says over protecting a citizens rights?
Other things worth noting, there is no good evidence that he supported an insurrection. Where has he been charged with that?
In the district court's decision it quotes Trumps Jan 6th speech but cherry picks teh quotes, many ellipses, and if it was a fair assessment then they would have included him saying march peaceably, something I could not find in the decision. This is also how you know the Jan 6th committee was a sham, nowhere can I find a reference to this quote of his on Jan 6th to march peaceably, nor did Trump get any chance to refute anything that was said on that committee. Texas could easily disqualify Biden from its ballot with the same process, claim he is supporting an insurrection by not enforcing immigration law as is his duty under the constitution. What is to stop them, it is self evident ya know.
Biden says it is self evident Trump supported an insurrection, so it seems that is the standard for guilt these days.
Subduction Zone
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You will just have denial there as well.
Subduction Zone
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That is part of this case:
I agree, I watched the videos of the jan 6 attack and then when trump turned on pence for doing his duty to ratify the election.
What I cannot measure is how simple minded a person would have to be to defend or support trump. My best solution is to remove the voting rights of any person that voted for him in 2016.
SkepticThinker
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Dude was the ringleader of the insurrection. Just ask his supporters, they'll tell you they were there on his behalf.So I went to tis site and found some dialogue about the 14th amendment.
Research Guides: 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Primary Documents in American History: Digital Collections
Ratified in 1868, the 14th Amendment granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States." This guide provides access to digital collections, websites, and print materials related to the amendment.
What MSNBC did was take a exchange from two senators before they passed the amendment. That was a debate. There are other exchanges about it not including the president or vice president. Why are those exchanges not referenced as well? There was also articles written after it was passed that it excluded the president and vice president. It was not clear then and it is not clear now if it does or does not include the president and vice president. So why would you defer to what the government says over protecting a citizens rights?
Other things worth noting, there is no good evidence that he supported an insurrection. Where has he been charged with that?
In the district court's decision it quotes Trumps Jan 6th speech but cherry picks teh quotes, many ellipses, and if it was a fair assessment then they would have included him saying march peaceably, something I could not find in the decision. This is also how you know the Jan 6th committee was a sham, nowhere can I find a reference to this quote of his on Jan 6th to march peaceably, nor did Trump get any chance to refute anything that was said on that committee. Texas could easily disqualify Biden from its ballot with the same process, claim he is supporting an insurrection by not enforcing immigration law as is his duty under the constitution. What is to stop them, it is self evident ya know.
Biden says it is self evident Trump supported an insurrection, so it seems that is the standard for guilt these days.
Without his constant and endlessly repeated claims about the election being stolen (that his supporters bought hook, line and sinker) there wouldn't have been an insurrection. The whole entire thing was about HIM staying in power.
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They were there because he told them to go there.
The trump defenders should not be allowed to vote until screened for 'diminished capacity'.
SkepticThinker
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Yep! That's what a bunch of them have said.
There's even footage from January 6th of one of the mob dude's screaming "We are listening to Trump, your boss!" at Capitol police.
'We Are Listening to Trump—Your Boss': Rioters Warn Capitol Police in Video
"You're outnumbered," one of the rioters in the video says to a Capitol police officer during the January 6 attack.
www.newsweek.com
His supporters seem to have an impenetrable cult mentality.
Subduction Zone
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MAGA: Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.
Very creative. What did he do that was not free speech or within the law? We have yet to have a real conviction on any of these. (To quote what so many people said about Hillary even when she destroyed evidence)