Trump Plan for Ideological Screening of Immigrants

[Audie]

But there really isn't much subtlety in most of what he says. I've always said that I don't need news pundits, MAGA apologists or even left wing opponents to make a judgement. Just his own words out of his own mouth.

You're right about religion, and I've been thinking the same thing. This "interpretation" of what he says by his supporters has a familiar ring. It makes me think of a discussion where a skeptic quotes the Bible about (say) slavery. That's bad, says the skeptic, and the Bible is very plain on the subject. Well no, replies the apologist, it doesn't really mean slavery as we understand it, more like indentured servitude. And on it goes. It's what I call GCL (God Can't Lose). No matter what, the Bible is always interpreted to put God in a good light. I see the same pattern with Trump supporters. Trump can't lose in their eyes, and anything he says that seems bad must have some hidden meaning that is good.

I did say nuance, if that’s a difference.

My reference to bible- interpretin’ was actually for those
who read fascist nazi misogynist dictator racist etc and
wildveyed blah into his speech.

However for Evangelicals- their readings
are what they are

Unless democrat = atheist, they too
have their own infallible bible readings.

Who can claim the title of unbiased reader?

Regardless, I think my simple reading that
his intent is to screen applicants for entry
on the basis, first, if they are enemies.

which imo, and that ofall my friends and relatives who
moved to the US, is right and proper- and that
open border is a danger to,the USA. And insane.

No graduate degree from U of Hong Kong needed
to detect that.

A tested and proven idiotic policy, v one that is the
most basic good sense, though it can be misread
and hyped into fascist christian - only racidt
fascism?

 

[Alien826]

This was only about people who are interested in migrating to America.
If you "honestly" hate America then your "honesty" should stop you from wanting to come here.
Doncha think?

Too simplistic. It depends how bad it is where you are coming from. And simply "hating" America doesn't mean a person will actually do anything bad. And the definitions are set up by those who want to exclude certain demographics.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Too simplistic. It depends how bad it is where you are coming from. And simply "hating" America doesn't mean a person will actually do anything bad. And the definitions are set up by those who want to exclude certain demographics.

If you are born here, I guess it is OK to hate America.

 

[BrightShadow]

This is not about tourism. This is about people who want to come and become Americans.
If you hate American, why would y

Too simplistic. It depends how bad it is where you are coming from. And simply "hating" America doesn't mean a person will actually do anything bad. And the definitions are set up by those who want to exclude certain demographics.

Do you want to drag this until the cows come home?
This is not about tourism.
This is about people who want to come and become Americans.
If you hate America, why would you wanna be an American?
Trump made a simple suggestion to add certain questions in the initial questionnaire.
Nothing changed yet.
You are unnecessarily reading between the lines.
Wait until any change actually takes place.
You are jumping the gun.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This was only about people who are interested in migrating to America.
If you "honestly" hate America then your "honesty" should stop you from wanting to come here.
Doncha think?

Trump listed off things like "if you want to abolish Israel" and "if you don't like our religion" (which I presume is a reference to Christianity).

Do you think that people who aren't zionists or don't look highly on Christianity automatically hate America?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"filling necessary positions" - that happens after they are legally here.

Not always.

This is to see if they hate America before coming here and would burn American flags every time they feel America is on the wrong end!

If they hate America why would they come here? If it's for nefarious ends, don't you think they'd lie?

Some of that happened not too long ago. They wear masks of course when they burn the flag but if caught they can start denaturization process against them.

Burning a flag is a Constitutionally protected right under the First. Taking action against anyone for it is wrong.

 

[BrightShadow]

Trump listed off things like "if you want to abolish Israel" and "if you don't like our religion" (which I presume is a reference to Christianity).

Do you think that people who aren't zionists or don't look highly on Christianity automatically hate America?

I see your PFP. You are jumping too.
Trump throws different things at you - to observe the reaction and then he eventually does the correct thing. It is an ingenious method to get feedbacks from foes & friends but many folks misunderstand and hate him for it. They hate him because they don't understand his methods.
So, wait and see what actually makes it on the questionnaire.

Not always.

Nitpicking, When they start their paperwork for Naturalization!

don't you think they'd lie?

This is exactly for that purpose! Once caught it will be easy to start the de-naturalization process.

Burning a flag is a Constitutionally protected right under the First. Taking action against anyone for it is wrong.

I gave an example. It would be for more serious situations.
However, after they fill out the forms and submit it - and their Facebook has pictures of them burning US flags then it would be an automatic rejection because they lied in their form.

Nothing wrong in making folks answer some questions to see their intent.

Nothing is finalized yet. No change may even take place. Read what I wrote up there. Trump throws different things at you to get feedbacks!
So relax.

 

[We Never Know]

A year ago, a lot of people figured that the American people would care more about treason and stripping women of their rights than it turns out they actually do.

I see. It didn't matter because youns thought he wouldn't win.
The left should have focused more on the people instead of focusing so much on 'the orange man bad'.
People already knew about Trump, hell he has been in the news daily for near four years so IMO the left wasted lots of time and money on him.

 

[Alien826]

This is not about tourism. This is about people who want to come and become Americans.
If you hate American, why would y

Do you want to drag this until the cows come home?
This is not about tourism.
This is about people who want to come and become Americans.
If you hate America, why would you wanna be an American?
Trump made a simple suggestion to add certain questions in the initial questionnaire.
Nothing changed yet.
You are unnecessarily reading between the lines.
Wait until any change actually takes place.
You are jumping the gun.

I know it's not about tourism! Whoever said it was?

And sometimes it's good to look ahead, make your best guess, and at least rough out some plans.

You know I find it both strange and scary that the best we can hope for is that Trump doesn't mean what he says. It's sort of like having a guy with a gun to your head and hoping that in a minute he will laugh and say "I was just kidding!"

 

[Alien826]

I see. It didn't matter because youns thought he wouldn't win.
The left should have focused more on the people instead of focusing so much on 'the orange man bad'.
People already knew about Trump, hell he has been in the news daily for near four years so IMO the left wasted lots of time and money on him.

Lots of things went wrong in the Democratic campaign it seems. One day we will be able to read exactly what that was, based on serious research. Right now I do think that the threat to the democracy is a serious one and should have been stated. It does seem though that more down to earth matters were seen to be more important to enough of the voters to sway the result. Why that was missed, I don't know. It shouldn't have been.

A thought I just had is that the Democrats are accused of becoming a party for "elites" and abandoning its traditional base (the ordinary working person) and if that is true then a big shakeup like this may be good for the party, assuming the democratic system survives enough for it to matter. It's not hard to see (now!) that something as esoteric as a threat to democracy would be obvious to an educated elite and that the price of eggs more urgent a matter to the working person. No disrespect intended to either group.

 

[Audie]

I know it's not about tourism! Whoever said it was?

And sometimes it's good to look ahead, make your best guess, and at least rough out some plans.

You know I find it both strange and scary that the best we can hope for is that Trump doesn't mean what he says. It's sort of like having a guy with a gun to your head and hoping that in a minute he will laugh and say "I was just kidding!"

“ doesnt intend what you choose to think”

i bet a tray of my finest Secret recipe scones thst a review
of your predictions wnen they don’t come true will show they were pretty silly.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

However, after they fill out the forms and submit it - and their Facebook has pictures of them burning US flags then it would be an automatic rejection because they lied in their form.

Being deported for practicing a right, even flag desecration, is beyond unreasonable and unacceptable.

This is exactly for that purpose! Once caught it will be easy to start the de-naturalization process.

We already have laws to deport those who break laws.

Nothing wrong in making folks answer some questions to see their intent.

It is when you expect bull**** and unconstitutional allegiances to something like religion. It's also a dumb idea because people lie, and those with ill intentions won't get caught like in a movie.

 

[icehorse]

If you don't like our religion, we don't want you.

So much for the First Amendment.

How long before he turns this screening on US citizens?

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Here's a list of long standing immigration restrictions for the US:

- carriers of communicable diseases
- people with dangerous mental conditions
- the unvaccinated
- criminals
- sex workers

- spies
- revolutionaries
- conspirators
- terrorists
- totalitarians
- war criminals
- welfare candidates
- religious freedom deniers
- polygamists
- tax dodgers

So while I hate trump, and he's probably being his normal horribleness (the link was broken), I will say that these days it seems like a lot of people have forgotten the spirit of immigration. A country is not obligated to accept immigrants. Countries get to decide who to let in and that decision has traditionally been made based on whether a candidate will enrich the host country or not.

 

[Alien826]

“ doesnt intend what you choose to think”

i bet a tray of my finest Secret recipe scones thst a review
of your predictions wnen they don’t come true will show they were pretty silly.

You want me to make some predictions, or you think I already have some?

Believe me, nobody would be more pleased than I to see the worst fears about a Trump presidency not to happen. That's the thing about a loose cannon though, you never know where it will roll and what damage it will do. And it looks as if they will have fairly small majorities in both houses, and we've seen how that tends to stop things getting done. And there's also the judiciary, or what remains of it.

The scones sound nice though!

 

[Audie]

Here's a list of long standing immigration restrictions for the US:

- carriers of communicable diseases
- people with dangerous mental conditions
- the unvaccinated
- criminals
- sex workers

- spies
- revolutionaries
- conspirators
- terrorists
- totalitarians
- war criminals
- welfare candidates
- religious freedom deniers
- polygamists
- tax dodgers

So while I hate trump, and he's probably being his normal horribleness (the link was broken), I will say that these days it seems like a lot of people have forgotten the spirit of immigration. A country is not obligated to accept immigrants. Countries get to decide who to let in and that decision has traditionally been made based on whether a candidate will enrich the host country or not.

Hate seems inappropriate.
They say it corrodes the vessel that
contains it.

 

[icehorse]

Hate seems inappropriate.
They say it corrodes the vessel that
contains it.

I agree, and it was probably the wrong word, but I didn't want anyone to imagine I was agreeing with him.

But zooming out, trump and his clown car and the oligarchs all act as though the planet and society are infinitely-f@#k-withable and they are not, in fact they are more fragile than we think.

 

[Audie]

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You want me to make some predictions, or you think I already have some?

Believe me, nobody would be more pleased than I to see the worst fears about a Trump presidency not to happen. That's the thing about a loose cannon though, you never know where it will roll and what damage it will do. And it looks as if they will have fairly small majorities in both houses, and we've seen how that tends to stop things getting done. And there's also the judiciary, or what remains of it.

The scones sound nice though!

My Mom got the recipe while in grad school at U.of Edinburgh.

Come to HK and I will bake some.

Meantime, fears re Trump?

Regard well the wise words of Old:

” Fear not, lest thou be feared”

 

[BrightShadow]

You know I find it both strange and scary that the best we can hope for is that Trump doesn't mean what he says. It's sort of like having a guy with a gun to your head and hoping that in a minute he will laugh and say "I was just kidding!"

So you decided to jump the gun?
The only thing I can tell the nervous folks is - fight at the appropriate time. There will be opportunities to fight if you disagree with something. Going berserk here before Trump assumes the presidency is not healthy.

Being deported for practicing a right, even flag desecration, is beyond unreasonable and unacceptable.

Why are you going all out? Nothing happened yet.
No one is getting "deported for practicing a right". If a question about whether or not they hate America is included in the questionnaire and they lie then later they could be questioned why they lied in their forms. This is a separate line of questioning. It is expected that one should be truthful while answering questions. No one knows if any action will be taken - so why jump the gun?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why are you going all out? Nothing happened yet.
No one is getting "deported for practicing a right".

You are suggesting it.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I agree, and it was probably the wrong word, but I didn't want anyone to imagine I was agreeing with him.

But zooming out, trump and his clown car and the oligarchs all act as though the planet and society are infinitely-f@#k-withable and they are not, in fact they are more fragile than we think.

When a clown is in the palace it doesn't make him king. It turns the palace into a circus. - Turkish proverb.