Especially when we have a President clearly acting against the interest of the USA and its allies;
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Trump says Jews who vote dem are disloyal.
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rosends
Well-Known Member
Regardless of the wording of the headline, the quote seemed (to me) to be an attempt at an explanation, not an accusation. He said "And I think any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty." So, "he thinks" (let's skip the obvious jabs on that one) that a particular behavior, that is, voting for a democrat -- not being one or embracing ideas that are representative of the dem party, but voting, considering the current crop of dem candidates -- can only be explained by either ignorance or a lack of loyalty (though to what, I'm not sur; he might be claiming that it shows a disloyalty to Israel, considering the sentence directly before it).
The problem is (well, one of them is) that we are used to politicians who speak carefully and measure their words, so we can parse them and judge each syllable as meaningful (or, at least, we can hold them to that standard and see when they mess up). But Pres. Trump lacks that filter and diplomatic sensibility so we are trying to judge his shoot-from-the-hip statements in the same way that we would take apart a practiced and calculated statement.
The problem is (well, one of them is) that we are used to politicians who speak carefully and measure their words, so we can parse them and judge each syllable as meaningful (or, at least, we can hold them to that standard and see when they mess up). But Pres. Trump lacks that filter and diplomatic sensibility so we are trying to judge his shoot-from-the-hip statements in the same way that we would take apart a practiced and calculated statement.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Israel has no greater ally than Trump, and Democrats like Tlaib Rashida and Ihan Omar hate Israel. If Jews favor Israel, then they should vote Trump, if Jews hate Israel, then they should vote for Democrats.
Shad
Veteran Member
Getting NATO to pay it's bills is acting against who exactly?
I disagree.
That's your subjective opinion. Which is no doubt biased.
I base my accusations on objective facts.
1. Both Ohmar and Tlaib have said anti-semitic things on twitter or on film. Both can be evidenced in 2 seconds.
2. They have both voted against providing aid/funds to a U.S. Ally that ally is Israel.
3. They both meet with anti-american organizations that support radical Islamic terrorist groups.
These are verifiable facts that cannot be denied or misconstrued.
I disagree because I base my accusations on verifiable evidence.
You are 100% wrong there. As elected members of Congress they are to represent the will of the citizens of the United States, specifically the will of the people in their jurisdiction/district.
The vast majority of the Democratic and Repuplican parties and the people they represent support Israel because they are our allies.
Because they are racist pieces of p00p. They have been recorded using racial tropes, joking about terrorist groups, and calling for the support of Palestine which is supported by Iran who support radical Islamic groups that have attacked America and its allies.
If you haven't guessed it they are radical Islamist themselves.
Support for Palestine/Iran check
Anti-Semitic rhetoric check
Interfering with aid provided to Israel by its allies check
TDS afflicted posters keep telling me that I'm a Trump supporter.
So I get to answer this restricted poll.
I disagree that they're disloyal.
Uh huh try providing evidence for that assertion.
Without a specific reference to Hitler or WW2 era Nazis,
I don't see Godwin. I'd read it as modern Nazis.
How's that for quibbling over a miniscule irrelevant point?
Do you enjoy posting nonsense????
Prove its nonsense pumpkin.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Certain concentration camp apologist Jewish forum members notwithstanding.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Almost as much as he enjoys committing criminal assault.
not to mention the pro fascist camp!!
Still waiting on you to provide the law that states that.
Instead you ran away, like usual.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
To blame Omar and Tlaib for Trump's words is so utterly bizarre that it makes me wonder if there's anything that Trump could ever do that would upset his supporters? And just a reminder that a criticism of an Israeli policy is not intrinsically anti-Semitic, and if that were to be the case then a great many Jews here and in Israel would have to be regarded as being anti-Semites.
Either way, Trump said what he said, thus he owns it. To blame that on the representatives is simply disingenuous.
Either way, Trump said what he said, thus he owns it. To blame that on the representatives is simply disingenuous.
sooda
Veteran Member
Before Obama left office he added an additional $50 billion in foreign aid to Israel.
You disagree that people can have different opinions about what is in our interest?? That it is a matter of interpretation??
And Trump has spoken about defunding NATO, which is a collection of allies.
And Trump has met with leaders of Russia, which interfered in our election.
Nope. We elect *representatives* so they can do the work for us in many cases. They are not and should not be parrots. While they should consider the opinions of the electorate, they should also consider the biases of their electorate and occasionally vote in the way they consider to be best for the country.
And it is reasonable to ask whether that alliance is in our best interest. And there can be different opinions about that by loyal Americans.
Not only that, but there's this nonsense, too: Trump boasts Israeli Jews love him like 'the second coming of God' as he quotes conspiracy theorist | Daily Mail Online
Someone needs to remind him that he is supposed to be the president of the United States, not the prime minister of Israel. To me, this just shows how much of a liar he is when he labeled himself a "nationalist". He talks like he puts Israel before America. American civil nationalists and patriots who vote for him are being duped big time.
Also, that Guardian article didn't seem to make much sense. He doesn't seem to be trying to be anti-Semitic, rather he seems to be encouraging this dual loyalty as he has thrown in with the far-right Zionists.
Someone needs to remind him that he is supposed to be the president of the United States, not the prime minister of Israel. To me, this just shows how much of a liar he is when he labeled himself a "nationalist". He talks like he puts Israel before America. American civil nationalists and patriots who vote for him are being duped big time.
Also, that Guardian article didn't seem to make much sense. He doesn't seem to be trying to be anti-Semitic, rather he seems to be encouraging this dual loyalty as he has thrown in with the far-right Zionists.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Just a reminder that one country's "freedom fighters" is another country's "terrorists"-- just ask the Brits about that in terms of what happened that led up to and included our Revolutionary War with them. And this is not the only time we've taken positions and actions that were of "questionable" ethics.
BTW, just to be clear, I do not endorse nor support groups that target civilians, plus even going to war in general should be done only at last resort, imo.
BTW, just to be clear, I do not endorse nor support groups that target civilians, plus even going to war in general should be done only at last resort, imo.
Poe?