Trump takes away Intelligence agents ability to work license

[fantome profane]

Obviously there are many here that do not understand "security clearances".

And some that pretend that they do.

 

[metis]

And some that pretend that they do.

Yep, and apparently Trump doesn't much seem to understand them as Comey and McCabe currently don't have security clearances and haven't had them for quite a while. But hey, what should we expect from a president who doesn't want briefings or from his base that blindly plays follow-the-leader.

 

[esmith]

And some that pretend that they do.

If you are referring to me, let me remind you that I am a 20+ year veteran of the U.S. Navy.
If you are not then, yes you are correct, if you are then you are totally way off base

 

[Riders]

Yep, and apparently Trump doesn't much seem to understand them as Comey and McCabe currently don't have security clearances and haven't had them for quite a while. But hey, what should we expect from a president who doesn't want briefings or from his base that blindly plays follow-the-leader.

Hes too ignorant to not know that hes trying to take away clearance from people who don't even have clearance.

 

[Phantasman]

No, imbecilic seems to be right on point, because absolutely nothing in your post has anything to do with criticism of Putin or his government. Iranian leaders chanting "death is America" obviously targets America as a whole, but no one here has tried to defend that, nor has anyone here tried to defend Antifa or their stupid tactics. But again, none of that has anything at all to do with being critical of the misdeeds perpetrated by Putin's government.

So again, yes, very imbecilic.

I'll just add that word to the other dozen names liberals have called me. It appears to be the lefts protocol.

So Putin is guilty until proven innocent. Got ya. There's only one side to every story. Yours.

I'll be content being called an imbecile then. And Heretic. And right wing. And Fox lover. And racist. Sexist. on and on.

 

[Phantasman]

If you are referring to me, let me remind you that I am a 20+ year veteran of the U.S. Navy.
If you are not then, yes you are correct, if you are then you are totally way off base

I thank you for your patriotic service to our country.

 

[Father Heathen]

I'll just add that word to the other dozen names liberals have called me. It appears to be the lefts protocol.

So Putin is guilty until proven innocent. Got ya. There's only one side to every story. Yours.

I'll be content being called an imbecile then. And Heretic. And right wing. And Fox lover. And racist. Sexist. on and on.

I called the insinuation that being critical of Putin is the same as hating the Russian people imbecilic. I didn't call you imbecilic. Nor did I ever call you a "heretic" (what?), or a racist, a sexist, or whatever.

As being "guilty until proven innocent", the evidence is pretty damning, and are you saying that you've never criticized other people's actions, ever? One thing I will call you then is a dishonest hypocrite.

 

[Phantasman]

I called the insinuation that being critical of Putin is the same as hating the Russian people imbecilic. I didn't call you imbecilic. Nor did I ever call you a "heretic" (what?), or a racist, a sexist, or whatever.

As being "guilty until proven innocent", the evidence is pretty damning, and are you saying that you've never criticized other people's actions, ever? One thing I will call you then is a dishonest hypocrite.

I know you didn't call me all those names. Damning evidence. Maybe, maybe not. I thought OJ was guilty. A good attorney can change minds in a New York minute. America's presence in the East is much more prevalent than Russia's presence in the West.

I just don't believe everything I read or hear anymore. Religious or political. Like the X Files, "the truth is out there". I trust hindsight more than foresight.

 

[Father Heathen]

I know you didn't call me all those names. Damning evidence. Maybe, maybe not. I thought OJ was guilty. A good attorney can change minds in a New York minute. America's presence in the East is much more prevalent than Russia's presence in the West.

I just don't believe everything I read or hear anymore. Religious or political. Like the X Files, "the truth is out there". I trust hindsight more than foresight.

Are you sure political bias isn't distorting your perspective? Did you give Hillary the same benefit of a doubt? I've noticed that how people react toward miscondict depends on the perpetrator's political leanings. This goes for both sides.

 

[Shad]

Hes too ignorant to not know that hes trying to take away clearance from people who don't even have clearance.

Actually they do, or did, have clearance. They do not have access to anything at this time. When someone retires, quits or is terminated they are dropped from the various programs they were involved in. The programs are how one gains access to databases, etc eq actual information. Clearance is maintained for years after the fact.

 

[metis]

When someone retires, quits or is terminated they are dropped from the various programs they were involved in.

Only in part. Periodically they are tapped for their experience and/or suggestions.

 

[Shad]

Only in part. Periodically they are tapped for their experience and/or suggestions.

None of which are programs nor access. Both are covered under "recalled"

 

[metis]

None of which are programs nor access. Both are covered under "recalled"

They may have limited access but only on a "need to know" basis.

 

[Shad]

They may have limited access but only on a "need to know" basis.

That access tends to revolve around personal files and direct involvement in a case not mainframe access. For example Comey used it for his book, leaks and questioning after his termination.

 

[Phantasman]

Are you sure political bias isn't distorting your perspective? Did you give Hillary the same benefit of a doubt? I've noticed that how people react toward miscondict depends on the perpetrator's political leanings. This goes for both sides.

I really don't care either way if/what Hillary or Trump did in the past. Everyone makes mistakes, even the President. The current actions are what I see.

Congress has a 15% approval rating. Trump around 45%. The media gets low marks as well.

People are getting tired of the BS and see it on both sides. The reason Congress is so low is because they play to their separate bases, thus divided in any middle ground choices that effect each and every American (not illegal, but legal). Trumps message was one of "anti politics", and the people responded. Congress never got the message (both sides) and choose politics. Hillary ran as a politician.

I see Congress as a group of attorneys playing attorney games to win for their side. An ongoing Perry Mason ideology, that tries to change the minds of the jury (peers) to see their side. The days of "lets make a deal" are gone. It's all or nothing, win the case.

This was evident when Trump tried to give more than what the Dems wanted for the DACA controversy. Just give him the wall. The Dems weren't concerned with the Daca kids as much as the wall. This was a "business" idea. The Dems chose the "political" view.

Americans are seeing what is going on even though the media spins it.

In my area of East Tennessee, both Dems and Reps have ads for the midterms. The Dems are touting no sanctuary cities in Tennessee to get the vote. But we all see the lies. That's politics. My vote is for a conservative businessman with a successful track record. They seem to be more in touch with the people. The others (attorneys) become out of touch with the common people the minute they pass the BAR. They see clients as money in their pockets more than trying to help the common man,

Congressmen don't leave multimillion dollar law firms for a $200,000 a year Congress pay. It's the perks that they make the people pay for.

Trump doesn't need the money. He doesn't even take Presidential pay. What Congressman does that? They protect their own (both sides) to get rich by special interests, as the country see's very little of actions for improving the common man's plight.

Voting against tax cuts? Really? Establishing doors at the border to know who is coming into the house? Do you live in a place with walls and doors?

We see things differently. That's all. But in truth, mine is an opinion as I don't live in the cities where people want a different lifestyle than my country home in the mountains. I couldn't live in such divisive conditions. But that's just me. Your mileage may very.