Trump want to keep coal plant open, Robert Murray gets good return on his bribe.

[fantome profane]

The Tennessee Valley Authority wants to shut down “Paradise” coal burning plant in Kentucky.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Paradise 3 gets the bulk of its coal from Kentucky mines operated by Murray Energy, according to U.S. Energy Department data. Chief Executive Officer Robert Murray is a Trump supporter and his company donated $1 million to a super-political action committee backing Trump’s agenda in the 2018 election cycle. Murray has also pushed Trump administration officials to support coal power plants operated by his customers.

Murray also made a huge and strange donation to Trump’s Inaugural Committee months after the event was over and after it was apparent they had already raised more money than they spent.

For those of you who don’t recognize it when you see it, this is corruption. This is what corruption looks like. Huge sums of money payed out to influence political policies to the detriment of the people.

 

[sun rise]

We can't let economics determine what fuel is used when we have a "socialist" President, can we.

 

[Revoltingest]

The Tennessee Valley Authority wants to shut down “Paradise” coal burning plant in Kentucky.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


Murray also made a huge and strange donation to Trump’s Inaugural Committee months after the event was over and after it was apparent they had already raised more money than they spent.

For those of you who don’t recognize it when you see it, this is corruption. This is what corruption looks like. Huge sums of money payed out to influence political policies to the detriment of the people.

It might be a bribe.
I'm sure it's fun to claim that it is.
But Trump was pro-coal during the 2016 campaign.
So it's possible that the donation was like other innocent
ones, ie, support the candidate who does what you want.

 

[Salvador]

We can't let economics determine what fuel is used when we have a "socialist" President, can we.

We are way better off with a President who supports coal than a President who'd support the New Green Deal. ....

 

[fantome profane]

We are way better off with a President who supports coal than a President who'd support the New Green Deal. ....

Why?

 

[Ellen Brown]

Must be an inside Jewish Gamer joik?

 

[Salvador]

Why?

Because carbon emissions have had a minuscule impact on climate change; whereas, the New Green Deal's impact on climate change would be too insignificant in order to justify its cost.

There were 4000 ppm of atmospheric CO2 during the Cambrian explosion of life on Earth; today there is approximately 400 ppm of atmospheric CO2, compared to approximately 200 ppm a couple of hundred years ago. (1) A doubling of atmospheric C02 has increased overall air temperatures by a mere 1 degree Celsius over the last few hundred years; this is hardly a need of grave concern. (2)) The environmentalist radicals need to stop their fear-mongering and hatred towards industrial green house gases.

(1) Carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia

(2) Global Temperature Trends Since 2500 B.C.

 

[sun rise]

We are way better off with a President who supports coal than a President who'd support the New Green Deal. ....

Yes, good paying jobs, robust American manufacturing capability, prosperity, keeping our national strength up by forward looking is oh so much worse than socialist-winner picking by the current regime in power in Washington.

And, horror of horror, having a robust smart energy grid is an evil worth defeating no matter what the cost.

And supporting higher education? Oh the horrors of a well-educated populace. They might even see through the schemes of the plutocrats. That has to be stopped at any cost, of course.

 

[Salvador]

Yes, good paying jobs, robust American manufacturing capability, prosperity, keeping our national strength up by forward looking is oh so much worse than socialist-winner picking by the current regime in power in Washington.

And, horror of horror, having a robust smart energy grid is an evil worth defeating no matter what the cost.

And supporting higher education? Oh the horrors of a well-educated populace. They might even see through the schemes of the plutocrats. That has to be stopped at any cost, of course.

Yes, good paying jobs, robust American manufacturing capability, prosperity, keeping our national strength up by forward looking is oh so much worse than socialist-winner picking by the current regime in power in Washington.

And, horror of horror, having a robust smart energy grid is an evil worth defeating no matter what the cost.

And supporting higher education? Oh the horrors of a well-educated populace. They might even see through the schemes of the plutocrats. That has to be stopped at any cost, of course.

Yes, good paying jobs, robust American manufacturing capability, prosperity, keeping our national strength up by forward looking is oh so much worse than socialist-winner picking by the current regime in power in Washington.

And, horror of horror, having a robust smart energy grid is an evil worth defeating no matter what the cost.

And supporting higher education? Oh the horrors of a well-educated populace. They might even see through the schemes of the plutocrats. That has to be stopped at any cost, of course.

The Green Energy Deal is a farce, because this unrealistically expects our nation to be totally powered with renewable energy within 10 years; that'd mean replacing 88 percent of our current energy production that's supplied from non-renewable sources of energy with renewable sources of energy like solar power and wind mills. I currently drive a Tesla electric powered car whose electric energy comes from nuclear power; half the electricity in my state of Illinois comes from nuclear energy. There's not enough space in urban areas for solar panels to supply our state's energy needs nor could wind-mill farms store enough electricity for providing our state's energy needs. So then, the Green Energy Deal fails to supply energy for electric cars that this deal mandates in replacement of cars powered by fossil fuel.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We are way better off with a President who supports coal than a President who'd support the New Green Deal. ....

We aren't better being anchored to the past by a resource whose days are limited, dwindling, and expiring.

 

[Ellen Brown]

The Green Energy Deal is a farce, because this unrealistically expects our nation to be totally powered with renewable energy within 10 years; that'd mean replacing 88 percent of our current energy production that's supplied from non-renewable sources of energy with renewable sources of energy like solar power and wind mills. I currently drive a Tesla electric powered car whose electric energy comes from nuclear power; half the electricity in my state of Illinois comes from nuclear energy. There's not enough space in urban areas for solar panels to supply our state's energy needs nor could wind-mill farms store enough electricity for providing our state's energy needs. So then, the Green Energy Deal fails to supply energy for electric cars that this deal mandates in replacement of cars powered by fossil fuel.

I'm finding some really unsettling things out about so called, Renewable Energy. Feel free to correct me if you do not agree with me.

Apparently Wind Farms last about 15 years and are obsolete, having recouped only about 80% (?) of the energy it took to make them. Apparently, Solar Cell power does not pay off. I worry about the pollution and environmental damage from making them. It is well known that Hydro Electric is very destructive to Fish runs. Of course Nuclear Energy may likely lead to a whole string of "Chernobles". The folks at CERN say they are getting closer to that "other kind" of Nuclear Power,

When Clinton was president (the 90s), he attended a G-(?) summit in Rio De Janeiro where they agreed that world population needed to be below 3 Billion, but they did not agree on population control methods. I have not found further information on that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We are way better off with a President who supports coal than a President who'd support the New Green Deal. ....

As evidenced by Obama's blunderous 'green ventures'. It's why you need a business man in charge for these kind of things.

Whether people like to hear it or not, this country and the world for that matter runs on coal and fossil fuels.

Trump is doing the right thing.

 

[Ellen Brown]

As evidenced by Obama's blunderous 'green ventures'. It's why you need a business man in charge for these kind of things.

Whether people like to hear it or not, this country and the world for that matter runs on coal and fossil fuels.

Trump is doing the right thing.

Perhaps in some areas.

In other ways, he is such a sexist monster ...

 

[Twilight Hue]

Perhaps in some areas.

In other ways, he is such a sexist monster ...

Well I'm fond of the saying that if you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door.

If we can get technology that works efficiently and reliably or exceeds better than coal or fossil fuel powered machinery, I'm sure we would turn away from coal and fossil fuels and embrace the new technology if it could be developed to be on par with what we have now.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Well I'm fond of the saying that if you build a better mousetrap, the world will beat a path to your door.

If we can get technology that works efficiently and reliably or exceeds better than coal or fossil fuel powered machinery, I'm sure we would turn away from coal and fossil fuels and embrace the new technology if it could be developed to be on par with what we have now.

As long as it keeps the Seven Families rolling in dosh.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As long as it keeps the Seven Families rolling in dosh.

I suppose it really doesn't matter then if you run on that premise. There has always been an alpha class of richer and more privileged people ever since the formation of civilization throughout the scope of human history.

 

[Ellen Brown]

I suppose it really doesn't matter then if you run on that premise. There has always been an alpha class of richer and more privileged people ever since the formation of civilization throughout the scope of human history.

I thought I'd say something more nutty than usual.

 

[Nous]

The Tennessee Valley Authority wants to shut down “Paradise” coal burning plant in Kentucky.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?


Murray also made a huge and strange donation to Trump’s Inaugural Committee months after the event was over and after it was apparent they had already raised more money than they spent.

For those of you who don’t recognize it when you see it, this is corruption. This is what corruption looks like. Huge sums of money payed out to influence political policies to the detriment of the people.

A prosecution for bribery requires evidence of a quid pro quo.

 

[Nous]

We are way better off with a President who supports coal than a President who'd support the New Green Deal. ....

Fallacy of false dilemma. Our options are not limited to either a president who supports burning coal or one who supports the Green New Deal.

 

[Nous]

I'm finding some really unsettling things out about so called, Renewable Energy. Feel free to correct me if you do not agree with me.

Apparently Wind Farms last about 15 years and are obsolete, having recouped only about 80% (?) of the energy it took to make them. Apparently, Solar Cell power does not pay off. I worry about the pollution and environmental damage from making them. It is well known that Hydro Electric is very destructive to Fish runs. Of course Nuclear Energy may likely lead to a whole string of "Chernobles". The folks at CERN say they are getting closer to that "other kind" of Nuclear Power,

When Clinton was president (the 90s), he attended a G-(?) summit in Rio De Janeiro where they agreed that world population needed to be below 3 Billion, but they did not agree on population control methods. I have not found further information on that.

It isn't theoretically possible to meet the world's energy requirements by solar and wind power. Traveling wave reactors are meltdown-proof and proliferation-proof. See:

The Real Obstacle to Responsibly Meeting the World's Energy Needs Is Not Unbelief in AGW

including the links therein.

Short of an asteroid hitting the planet or some other disaster, the world's population will be increasing before it decreases.