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Trump wins, I'm sad, somebody give me a hug.

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I'm a mix of sad and scared right now after just watching something happen that I really didn't think would. I'm sick to my stomach thinking about what a mistake this country has made and I'm afraid of what might come from it. Anyone else?

how about a song
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Well then R.I.P. Pet, cuz the Canadian immigration site is overloaded. But either way, Trump is still happening and its still sad, pathetic, disappointing, and scary. Ten dollars to anyone who can make it go away for me.

The cure for your blues is to turn off the computer, leave your cell phone at home, and divest yourself of all electronics. Go camping and rough it for a month.

Please send me the $10 care of this website.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm a mix of sad and scared right now after just watching something happen that I really didn't think would. I'm sick to my stomach thinking about what a mistake this country has made and I'm afraid of what might come from it. Anyone else?
I'm not a hugger, but I do raise blanket flowers.
Here.....
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May they cheer you up....especially since they're one of the few flowers to bloom here in November.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
I'm a mix of sad and scared right now after just watching something happen that I really didn't think would. I'm sick to my stomach thinking about what a mistake this country has made and I'm afraid of what might come from it. Anyone else?
Consider yourself hugged! And at least you live in Pennsylvania, not the Bible Belt, so console yourself with a bottle of Pennsylvania wine or a bar of Pennsylvania chocolate, according to taste.
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
The world is voting for ignorance and self destruction of all things decent.
Trump is just a rather nasty symptom.
selfishness, fear of education, fear of cooperation, fear of other people, insularity and lack of empathy are all features of the new order. The lowest possible denominatior of humanity
is the new arbiter.

Where and what next?
These were the same attributes that informed brexit.


I always laugh at comments like this. "Trump is the candidate of fear". Those who voted for him were ignorant and fearful. I'm willing to bet that there are as many ignorant and fearful people in the Dems as there are in the Repubs. My belief is verified by the fact that Clinton was viewed very unfavourably by the electorate as polls showed. But many of those who didn't trust or like her were willing to hold their noses and vote for her because of the fear that they had been taught to have of republicans.

Another point: it is precisely the labelling and dismissing of millions of fellow Americans who are struggling as ignorant, illiterate, selfish, stupid, bigots - not forgetting deplorables - instead of listening to them to understand their legitimate concerns that leads to the electing of people like Trump and voting for brexit. The self-proclaimed intellectuals on the left need to come to terms with the fact that trumps supporters are fellow Americans. You cannot label, dismiss and ignore them and their issues away.
You have to face the fact that there will have to be a compromise - it can't be your way or the highway. And then you need to negotiate with them in good faith. If you do not do this, and you think comforting yourself by calling them stupid is going to do anything for your cause - well you're in for many more rude awakenings.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
I notice both polarized sides believe the end of the world if the "wrong" side wins. Regardless of the stances on global warming we may last another four years.

Right!? All the people who are predicting doom and gloom and the End Times, if they turn out to be right, better have a winning lottery ticket for me. I responded to a FB comment from a non-American that said "Congratulations on electing a knuckle dragging, racist, sexist bigot. Welcome back to 1920s."

My response: "I didn't vote for either Trump or Hillary, but I do want to point out that sentiments like this are actually directed at the American people themselves. This was not a coup d'etat in which the people had no choice but to accept him. Americans consciously voted him in for reasons that were important to them. To suggest that Americans are too stupid to vote "properly" really is an insult to us."

The US has weathered worse storms than the storm people are predicting is going to happen with Trump as president. I wish I had the ability to predict the future that well. I wouldn’t be sitting in this cubicle. I’d be picking the next Mega-Millions lottery number.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I always laugh at comments like this. "Trump is the candidate of fear". Those who voted for him were ignorant and fearful. I'm willing to bet that there are as many ignorant and fearful people in the Dems as there are in the Repubs. My belief is verified by the fact that Clinton was viewed very unfavourably by the electorate as polls showed. But many of those who didn't trust or like her were willing to hold their noses and vote for her because of the fear that they had been taught to have of republicans.

Another point: it is precisely the labelling and dismissing of millions of fellow Americans who are struggling as ignorant, illiterate, selfish, stupid, bigots - not forgetting deplorables - instead of listening to them to understand their legitimate concerns that leads to the electing of people like Trump and voting for brexit. The self-proclaimed intellectuals on the left need to come to terms with the fact that trumps supporters are fellow Americans. You cannot label, dismiss and ignore them and their issues away.
You have to face the fact that there will have to be a compromise - it can't be your way or the highway. And then you need to negotiate with them in good faith. If you do not do this, and you think comforting yourself by calling them stupid is going to do anything for your cause - well you're in for many more rude awakenings.

I neither called any one stupid, nor did I have a rude awakening.
Like brexit the result was on the cards, as trump had played to the fears and attributes that I mentioned.
The USA will pay with tears, jut as the british will.
Both think that they can go back to a previous time when they were Great, by rolling back history.

The Romans could not do it nor could any nation since.
the heavy industrial age is over. This is the age of communication.
we all have to learn new tricks or get left by the wayside.
Shutting our borders and putting up tariff barriers will not help in the least. Neithe the Usa nor the Uk will get back their old industrial base.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Consider yourself hugged! And at least you live in Pennsylvania, not the Bible Belt, so console yourself with a bottle of Pennsylvania wine or a bar of Pennsylvania chocolate, according to taste.
Have you ever driven thru rural PA, & tried to find a Public Radio station?
Very Bible beltish in spots.
And their turnpike is really expensive compared to OH!
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
I neither called any one stupid, nor did I have a rude awakening.
Like brexit the result was on the cards, as trump had played to the fears and attributes that I mentioned.
The USA will pay with tears, jut as the british will.
Both think that they can go back to a previous time when they were Great, by rolling back history.

The Romans could not do it nor could any nation since.
the heavy industrial age is over. This is the age of communication.
we all have to learn new tricks or get left by the wayside.
Shutting our borders and putting up tariff barriers will not help in the least. Neithe the Usa nor the Uk will get back their old industrial base.

You did not need to say it in so many words.

Now question - what has the American government done to make sure their people are ready to take advantage of the "age of communication"? Because I am certain that if they had done something, the people would be employed and wouldn't be complaining?
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
You did not need to say it in so many words.

Now question - what has the American government done to make sure their people are ready to take advantage of the "age of communication"? Because I am certain that if they had done something, the people would be employed and wouldn't be complaining?


There was no need for the government to do anything.
Like the industrial revolution it was down to businesses and the people themselves.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
"Hispanics rejected Trump"

Actually, this is an urban myth.

I just saw on Varney this morning (Fox Business Network which is different than FOX News) that Trump got one third (1/3rd) of the Hispanic vote and higher than Romney got.

Now that is not as high as Obama who got two thirds (2/3rds) of the Hispanic vote. But it isn't bad, either, and apparently Hispanic males in the construction industry were many of the Viva Trump vote.

Of course there was this real fat protestor I saw in L.A. saying "we have to die" to "stop Trump". But I recognized this idiot from the Primary elections who got in the news back then here in California with the same violent rhetoric "we will have to die" and it was the same exact dumpy and she isn't dead yet.

But one more trip to McDonald's and a "double Happy Meal" and she very well might be dead.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I voted for Hillary. I'm not sad.

It is what it is. People voted and the results are clear. Trump will be president. Unless we can prove their was fraud, corruption or cheating in the voting process then we should accept it's result.

Presidency is just one part of our government. Have faith that not all will be doomed.
 

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
The night Reaguns was elected I thought that Armageddon was upon us... but the world carried on
As it always does.

The whole damn country needs to just calm the Hell down.

If you aren't active for causes that you believe in, then you're just wasting your energy and breath anyway. Focus on yourselves. Focus on your families. Focus on your communities. That's how change works.

If you don't like something - do something about it.
 
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Yerda

Veteran Member
The self-proclaimed intellectuals on the left need to come to terms with the fact that trumps supporters are fellow Americans. You cannot label, dismiss and ignore them and their issues away.
I think this is a fair point. We keep seeing lefty/progressive/liberal types able to empathise with (and to some extent suffer for) other people of all types of backgrounds and identities but when it comes to fellow nationals it's no go. I've been guilty of this myself.

I've been at events where people can rationalise the murderous psycopathy of Hamas or ISIS but if you suggest that we need to engage with local people who are anti-immigrant, bit racist sometimes, you get treated like you're proposing a pact with Hitler.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
In other words stuff the people? Okay, well the people have just said stuff you back!

Government have never been able to create other than short term jobs. Like during the depression.
that is not what we are facing now. What we face now is a fundamental change in society to a post industrial age. It is not in the power of governments to more than encourage change... they can not force people to make that change.
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
Government have never been able to create other than short term jobs. Like during the depression.
that is not what we are facing now. What we face now is a fundamental change in society to a post industrial age. It is not in the power of governments to more than encourage change... they can not force people to make that change.

No one is talking about forcing anything. Government are put in place to do strategic planning. They are supposed to foresee "fundamental" changes and help prepare their people for it. The government should have, upon seeing the inevitable decline in traditional sectors, embarked on reviewed school and varsity curriculums to ensure they are better preparing the youth for the new economy, either retrained workers in the traditional sectors or required companies to do so. Else what is the point of having a government with so much money and other resources at their disposal if they fail to prepare the country for change?
 
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