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Trump Wins In 2024. Pick His Inauguration Music.

Zwing

Active Member
True, but will cops and firefighters take man to mars?
I’m definitely on that bandwagon with you. I personally dislike when a police officer or firefighter is killed in the line of duty in my mid-sized city. Why, the city manager authorizes a virtual closing of the city, bunch of city streets, and cops or firefighters literally come from every state in the nation, thousands of them (organized by the IBPO and the firefighters union, of course) to attend the funerary proceedings. I find it excessive. One must be exposed to signs saying “our heroes”, and similar messages. I don’t really view them as heroes; is the miner who digs coal out of the ground to heat our homes, when he dies in a mine accident, considered a “hero”? No. I view police and fire officials as guys who are getting paid well (for their education level), with great benefits, to do a job regarding which they knew the hazards going in. I see no rationale for a designation of “hero”. But despite my feelings, their avouched heroism is proclaimed for at least some time after their unfortunate deaths.
 

Soandso

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I’m definitely on that bandwagon with you. I personally dislike when a police officer or firefighter is killed in the line of duty in my mid-sized city. Why, the city manager authorizes a virtual closing of the city, bunch of city streets, and cops or firefighters literally come from every state in the nation, thousands of them (organized by the IBPO and the firefighters union, of course) to attend the funerary proceedings. I find it excessive. One must be exposed to signs saying “our heroes”, and similar messages. I don’t really view them as heroes; is the miner who digs coal out of the ground to heat our homes, when he dies in a mine accident, considered a “hero”? No. I view police and fire officials as guys who are getting paid well (for their education level), with great benefits, to do a job regarding which they knew the hazards going in. I see no rationale for a designation of “hero”. But despite my feelings, their avouched heroism is proclaimed for at least some time after their unfortunate deaths.

Really good points here
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I’m definitely on that bandwagon with you. I personally dislike when a police officer or firefighter is killed in the line of duty in my mid-sized city. Why, the city manager authorizes a virtual closing of the city, bunch of city streets, and cops or firefighters literally come from every state in the nation, thousands of them (organized by the IBPO and the firefighters union, of course) to attend the funerary proceedings. I find it excessive. One must be exposed to signs saying “our heroes”, and similar messages. I don’t really view them as heroes; is the miner who digs coal out of the ground to heat our homes, when he dies in a mine accident, considered a “hero”? No. I view police and fire officials as guys who are getting paid well (for their education level), with great benefits, to do a job regarding which they knew the hazards going in. I see no rationale for a designation of “hero”. But despite my feelings, their avouched heroism is proclaimed for at least some time after their unfortunate deaths.
And the hazards of policing are still less than many other
common civilian jobs where workers are never called "Hero!".
Cops aren't even in the top 25 of...
What are America’s most dangerous jobs? Search our database of deadliest occupations
But forestry, farming, & fishing workers don't have the
vast PR machines of TV, Hollywood, & unions painting
them as loyal public servants ready sacrifice themselves
for truth, justice, & the American way.
 
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Yah, probably not, but their image isn't trying to appeal to teenagers. I think you may be confusing the term "idols" with "teen idols."

Yeah, although "idolizing" in general seems an activity for the young anyway. Once one gets to a certain age, "idolizing" others seems irrelevant.

And right here you hit the nail on the head

Yes, but that's mainly due to media hype. I remember a few decades back when people were doing a thing called "the Macarena," which seemed to be a big craze for a while. Then a while later, people stopped and even seemed embarrassed when someone showed a video of them doing the Macarena, saying "what was I thinking?" This is how hype and idolization work. People get suckered by the media who inundate the airwaves with endless piles of bunkum. They become convinced that "this is what the cool kids are doing."
 

Zwing

Active Member
the hazards of policing are still less than many other
common civilian jobs where workers are never called "Hero!".
This is true. You know, you hate to seem ungrateful by calling into question whether the term “hero” applies to these guys, but the application does seem to elevate them to a special status which seems, to myself, unwarranted. If I were to die in the course of performing my warehouse duties, nobody would call me a “hero”, nor would I get such a turnout at my funeral as they do, even though I rode a tank into combat in Iraq, right?

The biggest of all first responder funerals in my city was in the late 90’s when 6 firefighters died working to extinguish a fire in an old abandoned “cold storage warehouse”, a building which probably should have been razed much earlier. The building couldn’t have been made to better become a type of “fire bomb” than that one was: multiple layers of extremely flammable insulation (containing creosote, if I remember correctly) between four layered brick walls. The fire there was so hot that it weakened the temper of the steel in the elevated highway close by, and the road had to be shut down for months. The six funerals were all held together, and there were tens of thousands of firefighters from all over the country and world at that funeral. Here is a video about those events, which gives some idea about how first responders are lionized after dying in the line of duty. The video is hosted by Dennis Leary, who is from my city:


Ultimately, I think what makes somebody a genuine “hero” for doing something is his intent at the point of said doing. If he is acting to fulfill his job requirements or duties, then no; if he is acting in selfless devotion to a particular cause with no external constraints, then yes.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Ultimately, I think what makes somebody a genuine “hero” for doing something is his intent at the point of said doing. If he is acting to fulfill his job requirements or duties, then no; if he is acting in selfless devotion to a particular cause with no external constraints, then yes.
Too often, it's just perfunctory praise of anyone
in a given profession, & includes the worst of
the worst.
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
Hail To The Chief isn't up to the task.
What do you think would be appropriate?

I nominate....

Bill Maher would agree.

trump.jpg
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
The irony of Trump calling someone else "crooked".
If there's one thing Trump has mastery of, it's projecting. No doubt there are entire sections of psychiatric textbooks on certain mental issues and the only thing in those chapters is his photo.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The inauguration playlist would be incomplete without his personal anthem.

Ya know, there seems some odd law of nature where the only guys I've known to listen to that aren't ********. They're usually polite, mild mannered, caring nice guys.o_O
 
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