Trump

[Fool]

Does the president spend an inordinate amount of time embroiled in an investigation that he should step back from and allow to run it's course?


Isn't the greater good for everyone in finding the cause of russian meddling and correcting it? or determining there is nothing to be concerned about?

 

[Sunstone]

Isn't the greater good for everyone in finding the cause of russian meddling and correcting it? or determining there is nothing to be concerned about?

Yup.

 

[Mindmaster]

Does the president spend an inordinate amount of time embroiled in an investigation that he should step back from and allow to run it's course?


Isn't the greater good for everyone in finding the cause of russian meddling and correcting it? or determining there is nothing to be concerned about?

Trump is doing what you do with a feisty horse that you can't train... You let him run and run and run and run until he's tired, and then you throw the saddle on. He knows the investigation is a complete was of time, but he's ready to let that horse run until it is exhausted. His interest isn't in beating them into submission, but waiting until they are ready to submit of their own decision. Really, it's almost an act of love, letting them pursue their ideas (even though he disagrees with them completely, and knows they are unfounded)... He'll use the failed investigation to completely straighten out the DOJ and FBI once and for all, but he can't do that without seeming tyrannical before that. Contrary to popular opinion here, it really shows his patience.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Contrary to popular opinion here, it really shows his patience.

His patience? Try his lawyer's discretion. . . Of course, now that it's come out, it makes Trump looks bad, so we'll just call that fake news.

Trump calls report that he ordered Mueller fired 'fake news'

 

[Mindmaster]

His patience? Try his lawyer's discretion. . . Of course, now that it's come out, it makes Trump looks bad, so we'll just call that fake news.

Trump calls report that he ordered Mueller fired 'fake news'

If Mueller was never fired, and he hasn't been... for ANY reason, it is fake news...

Trying to fire someone, and then reconsidering it later isn't really the same thing is it?

Anyway, Mueller is a POS and should have been fired years ago. All of the "bad ****" including 9/11, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and everything else went down on his watch. Selling drugs to Mexican Cartels and weapons, and of course the Lolita Express. He did nothing but ignore, or whitewash all of these things. This man is an atrocity to justice, period.

FBI accused of whitewashing Saudi Arabian 9/11 involvement | Daily Mail Online

 

[Revoltingest]

If Mueller was never fired, and he hasn't been... for ANY reason, it is fake news...

You downplay the importance of this daily Trump thread, but it's significant.
It's news that Trump didn't do something, but might have considered doing
it, but changed his mind. Do you see the implications here?

If you can't trust the NYT, who can you trust?
Well, except.....
New York Times tricked by The Onion on Obama story

 

[Mindmaster]

You downplay the importance of this daily Trump thread, but it's significant.
It's news that Trump didn't do something, but might have considered doing
it, but changed his mind. Do you see the implications here?

If you can't trust the NYT, who can you trust?
Well, except.....
New York Times tricked by The Onion on Obama story

People should be given a pass when they reconsider something, IMHO. I mean there is a difference between murder and thinking about it. Many people think about it one time or another whereas few do it. This is basically convicting someone in the court of opinion without giving them an out... It's just something I personally cannot ascribe to... Mueller is a serial establishment douche bag though, and that fact is far more scary to me than anything Trump has done. The deep state is a real thing to me, and he is one of their pawns.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

If Mueller was never fired, and he hasn't been... for ANY reason, it is fake news...

Trying to fire someone, and then reconsidering it later isn't really the same thing is it?

Anyway, Mueller is a POS and should have been fired years ago. All of the "bad ****" including 9/11, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and everything else went down on his watch. Selling drugs to Mexican Cartels and weapons, and of course the Lolita Express. He did nothing but ignore, or whitewash all of these things. This man is an atrocity to justice, period.

FBI accused of whitewashing Saudi Arabian 9/11 involvement | Daily Mail Online

You are correct. But your premise is that the reason Trump did not fire Muller was a long term strategy based on the president's patience.

Muller's a POS. The smear campaign is working, I see.

Two years ago, if you told me that propaganda to create mistrust against federal law enforcement and other agencies, such as the CIA, would come from the political right in order to cover up ties to Russia, I would have laughed in your face.

We live in some strange times. It's actually a little exhilarating.

 

[Fool]

Trump is doing what you do with a feisty horse that you can't train... You let him run and run and run and run until he's tired, and then you throw the saddle on. He knows the investigation is a complete was of time, but he's ready to let that horse run until it is exhausted. His interest isn't in beating them into submission, but waiting until they are ready to submit of their own decision. Really, it's almost an act of love, letting them pursue their ideas (even though he disagrees with them completely, and knows they are unfounded)... He'll use the failed investigation to completely straighten out the DOJ and FBI once and for all, but he can't do that without seeming tyrannical before that. Contrary to popular opinion here, it really shows his patience.

micro-managing

 

[BSM1]

Does the president spend an inordinate amount of time embroiled in an investigation that he should step back from and allow to run it's course?

How is he not letting the investigation "...run it's course..."?

 

[Fool]

How is he not letting the investigation "...run it's course..."?

he fired comey and he's influenced wray. he has legal recourse through the courts and any other citizen of the united states would be charged with interfering with an investigation; simply because they want everyone to ascribe to their political beliefs.


all government agencies are made of dems, cons, independs.....


he has attempted to influence a person because of their spouse's political affiliation that is blatant discrimination. a person is hired to do a job based on the ability to do it and not their political or religious beliefs.

we all have our beliefs, we do not get to practice them on another, or deny another hers, we get to practice them on ourselves. the believer has nothing to fear; if she/he has done nothing wrong under the constitution. you're within or subject to the penalties but no one is above the constitution


drama is antithetical to production, creation. his focus should be to do his job and allow the other agencies to do theirs. there is nothing to fear but fear itself. the majority of people in this country aren't stupid. we don't need the smoke and mirrors of a magician, or pt barnum

 

[BSM1]

he fired comey and he's influenced wray. he has legal recourse through the courts and any other citizen of the united states would be charged with interfering with an investigation; simply because they want everyone to ascribe to their political beliefs.


all government agencies are made of dems, cons, independs.....


he has attempted to influence a person because of their spouse's political affiliation that is blatant discrimination. a person is hired to do a job based on the ability to do it and not their political or religious beliefs.

we all have our beliefs, we do not get to practice them on another, or deny another hers, we get to practice them on ourselves. the believer has nothing to fear; if she/he has done nothing wrong under the constitution. you're within or subject to the penalties but no one is above the constitution


drama is antithetical to production, creation. his focus should be to do his job and allow the other agencies to do theirs. there is nothing to fear but fear itself. the majority of people in this country aren't stupid. we don't need the smoke and mirrors of a magician, or pt barnum

And you think this is scaring Mueller?

 

[Fool]

And you think this is scaring Mueller?

i think he's interfering in a process that would sooner come to a resolution. he's not here to judge. he was elected to work for the people, not some people, or just those whom he wishes to promote, but simply people.

as a parent, a leader, example of someone to follow wisdom is proved right by her children's action.....the fruit of tthe spirit isn't drama and bedlam.


he's at war with his own people. he has the worse presidential standing in recorded history. he is a deceiver in chief who has no problem with misleading; otherwise known as blatantly lying.


“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

 

[BSM1]

i think he's interfering in a process that would sooner come to a resolution. he's not here to judge. he was elected to work for the people, not some people, or just those whom he wishes to promote, but simply people.

as a parent, a leader, example of someone to follow wisdom is proved right by her children's action.....the fruit of tthe spirit isn't drama and bedlam.


he's at war with his own people. he has the worse presidential standing in recorded history. he is a deceiver in chief who has no problem with misleading; otherwise known as blatantly lying.


“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

No matter what you think or how it appears, Trump (or any president for that matter) really has very little, if any, control over a special counsel. He could fire him--which hasn't happened, btw-- but other than that the counsel has pretty much a free hand (re: Ken Starr). I think for some folks it's fun to imagine there's a monster in the closet when in reality it's just a shadow.

 

[Mindmaster]

You are correct. But your premise is that the reason Trump did not fire Muller was a long term strategy based on the president's patience.

Muller's a POS. The smear campaign is working, I see.

Two years ago, if you told me that propaganda to create mistrust against federal law enforcement and other agencies, such as the CIA, would come from the political right in order to cover up ties to Russia, I would have laughed in your face.

We live in some strange times. It's actually a little exhilarating.

Mueller smears himself, he's a deep state pet - served under all the neocon-libs since 9/11. You act like he has a choice as to whether to pursue the investigation or not based on evidence, but he doesn't - he's a puppet, and his strings are being pulled to make him dance. They'll turn on him like a pack of wolves if he doesn't do exactly as they say. They've got so much dirt on him that he's just their property at this point.

It's also not propaganda since the relative contents of the memos are known, albeit not released to the public. I'm hearing that they are shooting for next Monday for the release from the sources I've been mining, so I guess we'll figure out how much egg the DoJ, CIA, and FBI are wearing on their faces by then. Speculation, in this regard, is irrelevant to me - the truth of it is coming soon to all of us. I'd not be surprised at all if what is in those documents doesn't make the most left of the lefties cringe.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Does the president spend an inordinate amount of time embroiled in an investigation that he should step back from and allow to run it's course?


Isn't the greater good for everyone in finding the cause of russian meddling and correcting it? or determining there is nothing to be concerned about?

But what happens if there was no Russians collusion with the Republicans, and there was with the Democrats (who corrupted their own primaries), and the Investigator is corrupt knowing the only "evidence" was a dossier manufactured for money from Clinton and the Democrats. Should Trump remain silent through all that and let the Democrats and media whittle his personna to a nub unjustly?

Yup.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Mueller smears himself, he's a deep state pet - served under all the neocon-libs since 9/11. You act like he has a choice as to whether to pursue the investigation or not based on evidence, but he doesn't - he's a puppet, and his strings are being pulled to make him dance. They'll turn on him like a pack of wolves if he doesn't do exactly as they say. They've got so much dirt on him that he's just their property at this point.

It's also not propaganda since the relative contents of the memos are known, albeit not released to the public. I'm hearing that they are shooting for next Monday for the release from the sources I've been mining, so I guess we'll figure out how much egg the DoJ, CIA, and FBI are wearing on their faces by then. Speculation, in this regard, is irrelevant to me - the truth of it is coming soon to all of us. I'd not be surprised at all if what is in those documents doesn't make the most left of the lefties cringe.

Your perspective on Muller is parroting the exact talking points we've seen in unprecedented campaign-style attack ads for awhile, so I don 't blame you for being taken in by it.

I also prefer truth, but just like the claims that "millions voted illegally" or "global warming is a hoax by the Chinese to destroy American Jobs," and "Obama illegally wire-tapped me," it's a politically motivated stunt that will convince only those you'd expect to convince. . . You claims have no evidence to support them, and neither do his.

Some people are okay with bald-faced unsubstantiated lies like these from the president of the United States, but I still think our check and balances will win out here.

Enjoy President Troll while you can. The votes are coming.

 

[metis]

Isn't the greater good for everyone in finding the cause of russian meddling and correcting it? or determining there is nothing to be concerned about?

Yup.

Ditto.

 

[Fool]

No matter what you think or how it appears, Trump (or any president for that matter) really has very little, if any, control over a special counsel. He could fire him--which hasn't happened, btw-- but other than that the counsel has pretty much a free hand (re: Ken Starr). I think for some folks it's fun to imagine there's a monster in the closet when in reality it's just a shadow.

again not the point,

when someone is sick we don't interfere with the doctor's diagnosis; unless we get a second opinion. we've got a second doctor, and still there is a person interfering in the process of a professional vs a person wanting yet another opinion.


allow the professionals to discover the minor/major problem, and provide a prescription; if there is one. don't keep claiming the doctor is ill.

we know russia interfered. that isn't debatable.

what isn't known for sure is if americans were complicit in helping and/or benefiting from such an act of espionage.


attention needs to be focused there, not on hillary clinton, not on trump interfering in the process. this isn't about a person, its about an action that isn't acceptable no matter who you are. the people have been put at risk and are more important than a single individual's image.

 

[Fool]

But what happens if there was no Russians collusion with the Republicans, and there was with the Democrats (who corrupted their own primaries), and the Investigator is corrupt knowing the only "evidence" was a dossier manufactured for money from Clinton and the Democrats. Should Trump remain silent through all that and let the Democrats and media whittle his personna to a nub unjustly?

that isn't going to happen if individuals keep meddling in the investigation. this isn't a belief. russian meddling is known. now, who benefited? who knew? who suppressed the information to the people? why?

if a war is coming, a negative action that directly affects people, do you really believe that it matters if a dem, or con, broadcasts it?

doesn't matter to me; if you're a communist. i appreciate the warning giving me time to take action.

you can't profit from what you can't control. freedom of information is a constitutional right for all the people, not just those who wish to use it to control others. a person who wants information to remain hidden against another party is doing so for personal reasons.

i can see doing that if its information belonging to a group, ie the citizens of the usa but not to a group of citizens within the us and foreign nationals

if it were a group of aliens visiting the earth and used information from the aliens to set themselves up as rulers, that would be extremely personal and telling.

sharing information with everyone makes everyone equal. information determines which person is more experienced for a task.