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Trump's achievements to the United States of America

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Asad is still the president of Syria, actually the ISIS was made to destroy Hizbaallah and
the Asad regime in which both won against the ISIS.

What achievements he did other than what are mentioned in the OP?
He lied and didn't leave gains in transgender rights alone and instead recended them where he could. He lied about the wall. He lied about Mexico paying for it.
200,000+ dead Americans from Covid is also his legacy, with the number rising daily.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
To the last moments in his presidency still Trump wanted to be sure that Israel got it all,
and if he failed to a 2nd presidency then Israel is in a better shape.

He made Jerusalem the capital of Israel.
He gave the Golan to Israel.
He ordered the rich gulf Arab states to make ties with Israel to support them economically.
He ignored covid-19 which caused the death of 200,000 Americans

What other achievements Donald Trump did other than making troubles with China and Iran?
Trump held a mirror to the US.
He wasn't new, he wasn't different, he just was open about it.
Now the US public has to decide if it likes that image.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
UBI is nothing more than a bandaid. We need to leave industrial models behind in the past, which includes industrial concepts of wealth distribution. We are getting closer and closer to a post-jobs society, amd we aren't prepairing for that either.

would resource usage even be tracked then. Maybe there could be a kind of 'money' that is just there for calculating usage and inventory

There's the entrenched mentality that you don't pay people for sitting around doing nothing.

Yea you need to maintain and build automated equipment and machinery, but in a land of millions of people, there's only so many jobs to go around.

There will never be a post job society for a long time to come because inactivity is not rewarded.

This goes back my thread on bifurcating society between a non-commodified group of people allowed to live prehistorically, which may satisfy physiology, and one that is actually interested in pursuing technological/non-cultural minutia. These two groups would support each other, the former produces the culture and the latter tries to advance the correct technology
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well the economic stuff for me is serious, since I still have quite a number of working years here. Surely this would be improved by cutting off the market for forced labor products, if that is what our government has done. At the end of the day, having a job supersedes those other Left wing views that I have, and I fall to the left on plenty of things
I hear ya, and I think one very disappointing thing that the Dems did over the last several decades was to forget where their loyalty traditionally lay, namely to support the "grunts", as my grandfather used to call them but not in a derogatory way, and the unions that largely created our middle class. If they had been consistent in having some restrictions on imports over these decades, especially against those coming from countries that manipulate their pricing through government subsidies and/or deflating their currency like China, a "Republican" like Trump would not have likely gained any traction with them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
would resource usage even be tracked then.
Without mass consumption resource usage amd depletion wouldn't be as nearly a major issue and concern. But we have squandered the Earth and we must start better managing our resources, find alternatives for depleting resources (the list is getting longer and includes rare Earth and oil), amd do this now before an authoritarian approach is the only means left for resource preservation. We need things made to last and intended to last, amd no more needless junk in the pursuit of mindless and mass consumption and consumerism.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I wonder that thousands of Americans died while Trump was celebrating
his achievements for Israel in the middle east, and now planning
how to help Israel regarding Iran.

What about America Mr. president? why worried about Iran?
Why China isn't worried about Iran? why Russia isn't worried and its border is
very close to Iran?


 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Without mass consumption resource usage amd depletion wouldn't be as nearly a major issue and concern. But we have squandered the Earth and we must start better managing our resources, find alternatives for depleting resources (the list is getting longer and includes rare Earth and oil), amd do this now before an authoritarian approach is the only means left for resource preservation. We need things made to last and intended to last, amd no more needless junk in the pursuit of mindless and mass consumption and consumerism.

If people are messing up this badly, it kinda does make one wonder if they need to be told what to do anyway.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If people are messing up this badly, it kinda does make one wonder if they need to be told what to do anyway.
We already are. Just look at how many meaningless and redundant choices we have that don't really matter and are told it's freedom. 50 types of toothpaste, dozens of different bottled waters, clothing brands that largely look mostly the same, were told its a good life and a part of America's freedoms. But buying junk isn't really a good life, and meaningful freedoms are so much more than spending miney on things we don't need and didn't want until a advertisement told us we want it.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
We already are. Just look at how many meaningless and redundant choices we have that don't really matter and are told it's freedom. 50 types of toothpaste, dozens of different bottled waters, clothing brands that largely look mostly the same, were told its a good life and a part of America's freedoms. But buying junk isn't really a good life, and meaningful freedoms are so much more than spending miney on things we don't need and didn't want until a advertisement told us we want it.

What's a meaningful freedom.

Do people need guidance? And what is meaningful guidance
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What's a meaningful freedom.
Free speech is an amazing one. The right to peacefully assemble. That we aren't bound by our parents path or crimes and can make our own paths. Freedoms that add value and meaning to our life. Coke or Pepsi doesn't do that.
Do people need guidance? And what is meaningful guidance
We do. As it stands, America is guided down a path of anti-intellectualism and anti-authority and self-destructive selfishness. Such as, we know we will run out of oil, probably sooner rather than later. We fight against weening ourselves off it, even though we have several reasons to get off oil.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Free speech is an amazing one. The right to peacefully assemble. That we aren't bound by our parents path or crimes and can make our own paths. Freedoms that add value and meaning to our life. Coke or Pepsi doesn't do that.

Well, I guess a problem might be that this seems to be a value that's being typified as a right wing value..

We do. As it stands, America is guided down a path of anti-intellectualism and anti-authority and self-destructive selfishness. Such as, we know we will run out of oil, probably sooner rather than later. We fight against weening ourselves off it, even though we have several reasons to get off oil.

Well.. they could experimentally toss me the leadership role. I was always good at simcity
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Well, I guess a problem might be that this seems to be a value that's being typified as a right wing value..
Only to those blind by RW dogma as many Leftist do champion those things. And we've seen plenty of recemt examples of Rightist who do not support these rights.
 
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