Trump's alleged violent tendencies -- Arizona investigates Trump remark about shooting her.

[danieldemol]

There's nothing voluntary in Ukraine.
They are forced to fight, or they will be jailed for desertion.

Irrelevant, Liz Cheney did not make Ukrainian army rules in my view.

 

[Estro Felino]

Irrelevant, Liz Cheney did not make Ukrainian army rules in my view.

It's illegal to help a country where the Government violates fundamental human rights. And where there is political persecution.
So we are basically violating our constitutions here in Europe.
The EU is shamelessly violating every norm possible, by aiding and abetting Ukraine.

I am sure that US has ethics too.

 

[Estro Felino]

I believe you just hid your misunderstanding behind a big word.

Please define imperative tense with a citation.

Imperative mood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I meant Imperative mood, Present tense.

It is a purely hypothetical scenario
If she went to war and saw how life-threatening war is, she would change her mind about war.
About sending the children of America to fight a useless war.
He would make terminate with peace.

 

[danieldemol]

Imperative mood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I meant Imperative mood, Present tense.

It is a purely hypothetical scenario
If she went to war and saw how life-threatening war is, she would change her mind about war.
About sending the children of America to fight a useless war.
He would make terminate with peace.

Since in my view you didn't quote anything from your citation allow me to help you;

'The imperative mood is a grammatical mood that forms a command or request.

The imperative mood is used to demand or require that an action be performed.'

Source: Imperative mood - Wikipedia

 

[danieldemol]

It's illegal to help a country where the Government violates fundamental human rights. And where there is political persecution.
So we are basically violating our constitutions here in Europe.
The EU is shamelessly violating every norm possible, by aiding and abetting Ukraine.

I am sure that US has ethics too.

In my view your gish gallop is irrelevant to your false claim, which was that Cheney demanded Ukrainian troops to die in the war against Putin;

He said what I have always said: those who demand that thousands of soldiers die to fight this Crusade against the Czar should go to the front themselves to fight.

 

[Estro Felino]

Since in my view you didn't quote anything from your citation allow me to help you;

'The imperative mood is a grammatical mood that forms a command or request.

The imperative mood is used to demand or require that an action be performed.'

Source: Imperative mood - Wikipedia

So "Let's do something" is imperative mood?

 

[danieldemol]

So "Let's do something" is imperative mood?

You already admitted it is in my view;

Of course I do.
In my language we use the exact same expression with the same verb. Imperative tense, first person, plural.

 

[Estro Felino]

You already admitted it is in my view;

Bravo.
Now analyze this sentence: let's say you are an astronaut, would you like to go to Mars, someday?

Do I mean you're an astronaut, or am I speaking hypothetically?

 

[Pogo]

Lawfare bull****.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-sues-cbs-over-kamala-harris-interview-2024-10-31/

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4964816-trump-sues-cbs-news-60-minutes/

 

[Twilight Hue]

They are in profound bad faith. They do know what Trump meant.

So their gaslighting is some desperate attempt to divert the attention from the topic: that they are thirsty for war, and that if Trump had been president, there would have been no wars.

They think apparently that posting on RF threads like this will sway the election. Lol

 

[Mock Turtle]

It's illegal to help a country where the Government violates fundamental human rights. And where there is political persecution.
So we are basically violating our constitutions here in Europe.
The EU is shamelessly violating every norm possible, by aiding and abetting Ukraine.

I am sure that US has ethics too.

It's a good job we don't aid Russia then.

 

[Estro Felino]

They think apparently that posting on RF threads like this will sway the election. Lol

I meant the leftist media, primarily.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a good job we don't aid Russia then.

Bravo.
We should help neither.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It looks like a violent remark to me, but I believe it is for a court of law to determine that is what it legally is, and in the in my view unlikely event a jury and judge end up ruling that it isn't in accordance with the legal definition of violent speech it will save the OP from accusations of defamation by MAGA cultists.

It was aggressive and violent. No need to downplay it or not call it what it is. This **** needs to quit being normalized.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It was a typically mean, artless, and irresponsibly bit of MAGA hyperbole that represented, not a call to violence, but the raving of a sick and fearful narcissist. It was disgusting, but hardly cause for investigation.

Meanwhile, let's all hope that no MAGA nut-case interprets the rant as a good idea.

 

[Revoltingest]

To me, "imagine her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her" would be an example of describing a combat scenario. Saying words to the effect of "Let's" do it is different to that in my view.

It was at the least careless and Trump could at least apologise for misspeaking as I see it.

His statement is stupid.
But not a threat.
No investigation needed.

 

[Wirey]

His statement is stupid.
But not a threat.
No investigation needed.

He didn't say execute her. He said her, with a gun. facing nine guns. It was supposed to be a combat reference, like the old hippy "If the politicians fought wars we'd have peace in no time, man, now pass me that bong" crap. Idiotic, but not a threat.

 

[fantome profane]

His statement is stupid.
But not a threat.
No investigation needed.

Is that what your investigation has found?

 

[F1fan]

Here is what Trump has stated;
"“She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her,” Trump said. “Okay, let’s see how she feels about it. You know when the guns are trained on her face — you know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building,” Trump continued."

Source: Trump attacks Liz Cheney, says she wouldn't be a 'war hawk' if 'guns are trained on her face'

In my view if Trump had added the qualifier, *hypothetically if* she were put there with with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, it would have been understandable, but he said "Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her,” which sounds to me like a dangerous suggested course of action.

That being said I'm no legal expert so we will see what the courts think about if it was against the law.

I think what Trump was trying to say (which is a miracle if he says anything close to being coherent, and a complete sentence) is that "warhawks" never are in combat, and if they were that they would have a different attitude about war. Of course he's a guy who faked a disability to avoid being drafted for military service, which is what is normally called a coward. An entitled coward, to be fair.

So I don't think Trump's comment was technically a threat, but it is consistent with his usual violent rhetoric. For a guy who is supposedly anti-war he isn't anti-violence. Remember, he sat and watched the Jan 6 rioted enfold and expand for nearly three hours before he sent a message for them to stop. It's as if he was waiting to see if the mob succeded before he told them to surrender.

So it depnds if the law includes a hypothetical of certain death as meaning a threat. Trump's comment was sloppy and poorly framed, but what else can we expect from an old man suffering from early dementia?

 

[Estro Felino]

It was a typically mean, artless, and irresponsibly bit of MAGA hyperbole that represented, not a call to violence, but the raving of a sick and fearful narcissist. It was disgusting, but hardly cause for investigation.

Meanwhile, let's all hope that no MAGA nut-case interprets the rant as a good idea.

That's what I have always said on this forum.

Those who want Ukrainians to fight an endless war against the czar should go fight themselves, instead of ordering people to fight from the coziness of their own house.