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Trump's response to Roseanne Barr's firing.

Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Thermos aquaticus said:
Here is the thing that always puzzled me. Conservatives went crazy with the idea that Obama was not born in the US, and they kept pushing this idea that Obama was born in Kenya. Of course, it wouldn't have mattered if Obama was born in Kenya because his mother was a US citizen. So why keep pushing this Kenya nonsense?

Fast forward just a handful of years and you have Ted Cruz who was running for the Republican nomination for President. Ted Cruz was born in Canada. Ted Cruz was not born in the US. Not a peep from any Republican.

How can the obvious racial undertones of this whole thing be ignored?
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I agree with you. Both instances were chasing wild geese. The people spoke and Obama became President. Let it go. Same as this time with Trump. The people spoke.

It's come down to the point that when you win, the loser wants to steal the medal from you. Some people are just poor losers on both sides. Look ahead, not behind.

Trump's getting a taste of his own medicine.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Shadow Wolf said:
You yourself regurgitate a ton of LW media talking points. You and Esmith are basically RF's version of what it would look like if MSNBC and Fox were to debate face-to-face. And original thought? That's something very, very few people ever have. Not to be insulting, but a matter of fact that chances are pretty good it's already been thought.
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Ok, I'll play. What talking point do I always repeat? I don't watch MSNBC or CNN. Only Fox on TV and some local news.

Keep in mind that talking points are usually false, so I'd like to know what I've said you think I'm fabricating?
 
Thermos aquaticus

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
Phantasman said:
I agree with you. Both instances were chasing wild geese. The people spoke and Obama became President. Let it go. Same as this time with Trump. The people spoke.
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But why chase the Kenyan goose and not the Canada goose? If they found out that Hillary was born in Norway, would there have been the same ruckus? Probably not.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Phantasman said:
Back on track with the OP, how about that liberal comedian Samantha Bee last night? Wonder if TBS fires her in like of ABC and Barr.

This cr@p happens on both sides, and neither is cleaner than the other.
Samantha Bee and TBS Apologize for Slur Against Ivanka Trump
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We've already covered this. That wasn't a racist comment. It's up to the private corporation and the free market to decide the fate of the employee. No other way around it..
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
tytlyf said:
False equivalence. And a woman calling another woman a name isn't sexist. That would require the opposite sex making the comment.

You're going to tell me you think sexist comments equate to racist comments?
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When they're used as hate speech, yes. No difference in the hateful rhetoric. Are you trying to say using the word the word "Ape" is worse than the word C***? That foul language is acceptable?

Ask a censor which one is acceptable. You'll never get me to see what you are trying to make me see. Morals still exist in my world.
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
1137 said:
The comment was definitely racist but Trump actually has a point. We tolerate hate that we believe to be acceptable and it's entirely subjective. If ****ting on one person is inherently wrong then ****ting in any person is inherently wrong. Reverse racism is very real and pretty much a foundation of current left thinking, as is special pleading/special treatment.

And hey, I'm no Trump fan but things like the death of ISIL, the end of the Korean war, the decision that maybe we shouldn't support Iran having nukes, the attempt to address the opiod crisis even if they're going to hard, the desire to eliminate gangs and illegal immigration... These are all good things no matter who the president is. I like him much more than I did during the campaign.
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And the evil he has done is so so so much more then any good hes done. So to me the good hes done is mute.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Phantasman said:
When they're used as hate speech, yes. No difference in the hateful rhetoric. Are you trying to say using the word the word "Ape" is worse than the word C***? That foul language is acceptable?
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Yes I'm saying ape is worse than ****. One is a racist comment and the other is not. False equivalence. You're losing the context of what's going on. RW media sure is saturating the airwaves with the Samantha Bee situation and completely ignoring the Roseanne story.

That's the power of propaganda. People now think the C word is equivalent to racist language.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
tytlyf said:
Yes I'm saying ape is worse than ****. One is a racist comment and the other is not. False equivalence. You're losing the context of what's going on. RW media sure is saturating the airwaves with the Samantha Bee situation and completely ignoring the Roseanne story.

That's the power of propaganda. People now think the C word is equivalent to racist language.
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At least you admit stupidity. Is lying a greater sin than cheating? What comes from the heart is the thing, and hatred is the same on both accounts. You hear words. I see the hatred.

No difference unless you're using the liberal PC dictionary.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
Phantasman said:
What comes from the heart is the thing, and hatred is the same on both accounts. You hear words. I see the hatred.

No difference unless you're using the liberal PC dictionary.
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Equating a black person to a monkey is hatred about what?
Black People

A woman referring to another woman as a Sexless C*nt is hatred about what?
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
ecco said:
Equating a black person to a monkey is hatred about what?
Black People

A woman referring to another woman as a Sexless C*nt is hatred about what?
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Name calling is taken much more seriously today than when I was growing up. Today say Black People and a debate begins to change ones views by the words being used. So your point is a valid one, IMO. People today hate the word Negro, but all the job applications I filled growing up had a box to identify Negro over Caucasian.

Changing names changes nothing.
 
TheBannerofHomuraAkemi

TheBannerofHomuraAkemi

Active Member
Phantasman said:
Name calling is taken much more seriously today than when I was growing up. Today say Black People and a debate begins to change ones views by the words being used. So your point is a valid one, IMO. People today hate the word Negro, but all the job applications I filled growing up had a box to identify Negro over Caucasian.

Changing names changes nothing.
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Thats just a fancy way of saying "Back in my day it was okay to be racist".

Instead of focusing on Bee's comment that wasn't racist how about you focus on Bill Maher and when he said the N word. Then you would have an actual argument.
 
Phantasman

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
TheBannerofHomuraAkemi said:
Thats just a fancy way of saying "Back in my day it was okay to be racist".

Instead of focusing on Bee's comment that wasn't racist how about you focus on Bill Maher and when he said the N word. Then you would have an actual argument.
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Again. It's.......not........the.........words I have issue with. How is the N word racist if a white man uses it but not when a black man uses it? Same word.

It's the intent (of hatred) that appears by the word. My grand kids can use ape all day long, If one starts talking about her c***, at 9 YO I will interject the proper knowledge. When my daughter uses it, the word could be funny or hateful depending if it's "slang" or descriptive.

Samantha Bee pretty much was pushing incest as well, to dress in a low cut top for daddy.

If she doesn't want to have to apologize, engage brain before opening mouth. Same with the rest. Since her show had been taped for 12 hours, brain obviously didn't kick in. Others were off the cuff.
 
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