Trump's tax forms revealed.

[pearl]

The Comey Rule is set for release on September 27. It will star Jeff Daniels as Comey, Brendan Gleeson as President Donald Trump, Kingsley Ben-Adir as former President Barack Obama, Michael Kelly as former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, Peter Coyote as former FBI Director and Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and Holly Hunter as former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates.

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[fantome profane]

Same reason its called alleged.

Ok, for one minute forget about Trump, elections, politics and all that.

Just answer, is tax fraud immoral?

 

[suncowiam]

He says many things.
They don't always relate to what he actually does.

Is that just a round about way of saying that he lies? Are you being a politician now?

 

[Cooky]

Ok, for one minute forget about Trump, elections, politics and all that.

Just answer, is tax fraud immoral?

Was there fraud?

...My understanding was that Trump paid his taxes in a legal fashion.

 

[fantome profane]

Was there fraud?

...My understanding was that Trump paid his taxes in a legal fashion.

That was not my question.

If I asked if murder was wrong, you would not reply “did Donald Trump commit murder?” No, I sure you would have no problem saying murder is wrong.

So I asked our colour of the evening friend “is tax fraud immoral?” I will now ask you the same question. Forget about Trump. Some people do commit tax fraud. Is it immoral for them to do so?

 

[Secret Chief]

Lock him up!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ok, for one minute forget about Trump, elections, politics and all that.

Just answer, is tax fraud immoral?

Of course if it's clearly deemed fraud. Loopholes too if its shown that its exclusively designed to benefit one over another at the latters detriment and expense.

Maybe your asking even if its legal, can it still be unethical?

 

[fantome profane]

Maybe your asking even if its legal, can it still be unethical?

Nope, although that is a good question too. I was asking if tax fraud is immoral. It might seem like a silly question, but there are many people who think that cheating the government is fine, even laudable,

 

[Revoltingest]

Is that just a round about way of saying that he lies? Are you being a politician now?

A lie would be an intentional misstatement of fact.
He carefully avoided saying anything.
It might rise to the level of prevarication.

 

[Cooky]

That was not my question.

If I asked if murder was wrong, you would not reply “did Donald Trump commit murder?” No, I sure you would have no problem saying murder is wrong.

So I asked our colour of the evening friend “is tax fraud immoral?” I will now ask you the same question. Forget about Trump. Some people do commit tax fraud. Is it immoral for them to do so?

No, it's not immoral.

It's the same as a homeless person asking you for money and you deny him it even though you have money.

Surely it's not immoral to deny a beggar money.

 

[Lyndon]

Jesus would say its immoral not to help a beggar

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it's not immoral.

It's the same as a homeless person asking you for money and you deny him it even though you have money.

Surely it's not immoral to deny a beggar money.

And when that beggar would spend the money to buy weapons
to attack another country that poses no threat to us, we should
starve the beast.

 

[fantome profane]

No, it's not immoral.

It's the same as a homeless person asking you for money and you deny him it even though you have money.

Surely it's not immoral to deny a beggar money.

Thank you for illustrating what I was explaining to @Twilight Hue in post #68. I was worried that he would not believe me that people like you existed. You saved be the effort of finding a source. Thank you.


But I also want to say to you that if you owe a debt it is immoral to lie and cheat in order to get out of it. It is the same if you owe money to a family member, a friend, a bank, someone who begs, or the government. If you owe money engaging in fraud to get out of paying it is immoral.

 

[Cooky]

Thank you for illustrating what I was explaining to @Twilight Hue in post #68. I was worried that he would not believe me that people like you existed. You saved be the effort of finding a source. Thank you.

Yes, the government feels entitled to my hard earned blood-money. But those were my blood and tears.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes, the government feels entitled to my hard earned blood-money. But those were my blood and tears.

Please check out my edited post # 73.

You were quick, I was slow.

 

[Lyndon]

Yes, the government feels entitled to my hard earned blood-money. But those were my blood and tears.

Well then if you can agree to never use the police or firefighters, never use the roads, government buildings or libraries, refuse to collect social security or medicare etc etc etc, then you have every right to not pay your taxes, until then I suggest you pay them, because those are the kind things they pay for

 

[Cooky]

Well then if you can agree to never use the police or firefighters, never use the roads, government buildings or libraries, refuse to collect social security or medicare etc etc etc, then you have every right to not pay your taxes, until then I suggest you pay them, because those are the kind things they pay for

Well, hold on a second. I didn't say I don't pay taxes, I do, I just said it's not a "moral" issue... Just like it's not a moral issue to give a homeless man money or not.

...We all make prudential judgements on a daily basis that are neither moral nor immoral.

 

[Cooky]

Prudential Judgement

In ethics, a "prudential judgment" is one where the circumstances must be weighed to determine the correct action. Generally, it applies to situations where two people could weigh the circumstances differently and ethically come to different conclusions.

Prudence - Wikipedia

 

[fantome profane]

Prudential Judgement

In ethics, a "prudential judgment" is one where the circumstances must be weighed to determine the correct action. Generally, it applies to situations where two people could weigh the circumstances differently and ethically come to different conclusions.

Prudence - Wikipedia

Ok, musical interlude.

Ok, we’re back.

Could you please describe the circumstances that existed in the U.S. in 2016 and 2017 that would make to prudent for a billionaire not to pay federal tax?

 

[joe1776]

Prudential Judgement

In ethics, a "prudential judgment" is one where the circumstances must be weighed to determine the correct action. Generally, it applies to situations where two people could weigh the circumstances differently and ethically come to different conclusions.

Prudence - Wikipedia

Whether or not one pays taxes is unlike the choice of whether to give money to a homeless person.

Taxes are the price we pay for service in a society which is a cooperative endeavor. Taking the benefits from that effort while not paying for them is the equivalent of stealing. It's a moral issue, a matter of conscience. It feels wrong.