Trump's tax forms revealed.

[joe1776]

The old oligarchs will be replaced by new oligarchs, eh.
It doesn't sound like fundamental change.

When you put it that way, I'd have to agree. But that's not what the movement is all about.

It's about structural change. First, change to the current system so that it works better to benefit the majority. Then, replacement of the system so that the government makes better decisions with "quality of life" as the aim rather than what benefits Big Business.

 

[suncowiam]

A lie would be an intentional misstatement of fact.
He carefully avoided saying anything.
It might rise to the level of prevarication.

OMG, this is like being a politician. And it's almost as good as Kelly Conway's style.

This seems to be a trend for Trump supporters. Obfuscate and evade.

Let me guess, it's better to blame the audience for their misinterpretation than it is to blame the actual words that comes out of Trump's mouth. This only points to how poor Trump is as a communicator. If he's leaving ambiguity on the table, then that's on him.

Concerning taxes, you ABSOLUTELY do not believe Trump had any intentions of misleading the public concerning the releasing of his taxes?

 

[Revoltingest]

When you put it that way, I'd have to agree. But that's not what the movement is all about.

It's about structural change. First, change to the current system so that it works better to benefit the majority. Then, replacement of the system so that the government makes better decisions with "quality of life" as the aim rather than what benefits Big Business.

It seems that the voting public could steer government
in that direction by merely electing different leaders.
But they've shown a preference for the same old same old.
Also helpful...
- Ditching the EC.
- Ranked choice voting.
- Replacing district voting with at large voting (empowering fringe parties).

 

[joe1776]

I...But they've shown a preference for the same old same old....

My generation certainly did, but the young people give me hope.

 

[Revoltingest]

OMG, this is like being a politician.

Careful there, bub.
You're getting very insulting.
I haven't called you anything terrible....like "lawyer".

And it's almost as good as Kelly Conway's style.

Again, you're treading on thin ice.

This seems to be a trend for Trump supporters. Obfuscate and evade.

Let me guess, it's better to blame the audience for their misinterpretation than it is to blame the actual words that comes out of Trump's mouth. This only points to how poor Trump is as a communicator. If he's leaving ambiguity on the table, then that's on him.

Concerning taxes, you ABSOLUTELY do not believe Trump had any intentions of misleading the public concerning the releasing of his taxes?

For fun, I'll respond in kind.....
The problem with you frothing at the mouth Trump haters
is that you read your own message into what he says.
When he won't make an affirmative statement about
transition, you read it as intending to not do that.
Why? Because it heightens fear of him, & increases
the demonization.

But now an olive branch....
I agree wholeheartedly that Trump is a poor communicator.
Also about his intent to never release his tax returns.

 

[Revoltingest]

My generation certainly did, but the young people give me hope.

Ugh....the young.
Fortunately, they eventually turn into us.

Edit....
@Shadow Wolf has already taken to yelling at whippersnappers here to get off'n her lawn.

 

[Tambourine]

Trump's biggest flaw is that he just can't help being misinterpreted by mischievous interlopers!

You need trust him this one time, then he will finally drain the swamp/build the wall/lock her up/make America great again!


That was sarcasm, in case you couldn' tell

 

[suncowiam]

Careful there, bub.
You're getting very insulting.
I haven't called you anything terrible....like "lawyer".

Again, you're treading on thin ice.

For fun, I'll respond in kind.....
The problem with you frothing at the mouth Trump haters
is that you read your own message into what he says.
When he won't make an affirmative statement about
transition, you read it as intending to not do that.
Why? Because it heightens fear of him, & increases
the demonization.

But now an olive branch....
I agree wholeheartedly that Trump is a poor communicator.
Also about his intent to never release his tax returns.

Well, I criticised your statement and the style of it. I compared it similar to what kelly conway has done. You're obviously not kelly conway but the use of obfuscation and evasion was on point.

If you take that as a personal insult then so be it. It could have been an honest valid criticism or it could have been an insult pending your perception and interpretation. Remember what you said about people misinterpreting Trump and how they see what they want to see? Sounds familiar?

I never talked about Trump and transition so not sure how you concluded where I stand with that.

People are demonizing Trump? Do you actually believe Trump is 100% innocent in all of this? How much do you think this is due to bi-partisan politics versus his own actions and doing? Please don't tell me that Trump is poor innocent saint, and the big bad evil leftist socialists are unfairly treating him.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, I criticised your statement and the style of it. I compared it similar to what kelly conway has done. You're obviously not kelly conway but the use of obfuscation and evasion was on point.

Is it really "obfuscation" & "evasion" when the fundamental
problem is your lack of understanding? No, I recommend
reading with less agenda laden prejudice.

Do you actually believe Trump is 100% innocent in all of this?

Since I've never claimed he is, that's a mischievous loaded question.

How much do you think this is due to bi-partisan politics versus his own actions and doing? Please don't tell me that Trump is poor innocent saint, and the big bad evil leftist socialists are unfairly treating him.

Geeze....way to entirely miss the point.

 

[suncowiam]

Is it really "obfuscation" & "evasion" when the fundamental
problem is your lack of understanding? No, I recommend
reading with less agenda laden prejudice.

Since I've never claimed he is, that's a mischievous loaded question.

Geeze....way to entirely miss the point.

I completely understand the point. But since you declared that, why don't you explain how I misunderstood. I'll give you the opportunity to do so instead of making a blanket statement.

Ok. Is Trump lying about his taxes? Give us your honest assessment of how Trump is treating his taxes and how it relates to presidents?

Don't even get started about prejudice. I don't deny my biases which I have but if you're going to criticize that then you best be unbias yourself and you're definitely not. Please don't believe your own delusions. Who here is truly unbias and have no agendas? Do you want to declare that you are the one unbias no agenda person here? I love to hear it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I completely understand the point. But since you declared that, why don't you explain how I misunderstood. I'll give you the opportunity to do so instead of making a blanket statement.

Ok. Is Trump lying about his taxes? Give us your honest assessment of how Trump is treating his taxes and how it relates to presidents?

Don't even get started about prejudice. I don't deny my biases which I have but if you're going to criticize that then you best be unbias yourself and you're definitely not. Please don't believe your own delusions. Who here is truly unbias and have no agendas? Do you want to declare that you are the one unbias no agenda person here? I love to hear it.

You're taking this all far too personally.
You read more into his statements than do I.
Lighten up, & know when to agree to disagree.

 

[tytlyf]

You're taking this all far too personally.
.

How did Donald lose your support? When?

 

[Revoltingest]

How did Donald lose your support? When?

Why did you stop beating your wife?
When?

 

[tytlyf]

Why did you stop beating your wife?
When?

You voted for Trump, what happened that changed your mind? It's clear you still carry water for the republican party, I want to know what disturbed you so much?

 

[Revoltingest]

You voted for Trump, what happened that changed your mind? It's clear you still carry water for the republican party, I want to know what disturbed you so much?

Were you really interested in discussion,
you wouldn't embed insults in your questions.
Please bother someone else with this stuff.

 

[tytlyf]

Were you really interested in discussion,
you wouldn't embed insults in your questions.
Please bother someone else with this stuff.

I can sense some serious remorse with your past voting record. Carry on and learn from your mistakes.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can sense some serious remorse with your past voting record. Carry on and learn from your mistakes.

Borsh de floner, yupz.

 

[suncowiam]

You're taking this all far too personally.
You read more into his statements than do I.
Lighten up, & know when to agree to disagree.

I'm not taking anything personally. I know we both disagree on the subject and I've opined my side just fine.

You've taken offense at my statements. I have not of yours. I've allowed you to say what you want to say without remotely sounding offended. I'm just very straight-forward. I just ask for further clarification. I also pointed out that it's hypocritical of you to say that I'm biased and agenda-based. I don't deny that, but you cant say that without suggesting that you are purely objective, which I highly doubt.

If you want to defend Trump, which I support your right to, then continue to do it. I don't feel you've sufficiently have done so. Your answers have been evasive at best. Plus you change the topic when I directly ask about Trump. The topic then becomes personal because of these pivots, which I'm not trying to do.

I will continue to debate you on any topics of Trump I see fit because you are very frequent as a Trump supporter that passes his own biases to all these discussions.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not taking anything personally.

Those who launch into insulting other person always
deny taking it personally. It really appears otherwise.
Especially so when you continued in the quoted post.
(I excised the rest. Ugh.)
Rules prevent me from responding in kind, so your
posts become an exercise in self pleasuring.

 

[suncowiam]

Were you really interested in discussion,
you wouldn't embed insults in your questions.
Please bother someone else with this stuff.

That's not an insult. He's speaking of your record, which is completely true. You did vote for Trump, and do carry much conservative points. My own opinion of you is that of a conservative masquerading as a independent/libertarian. You can call yourself what you like, but how people view of you, you cannot change.