Trump's wall will save America money

[Kemosloby]

Stop with the assumptions and guessing.

You're not addressing the specifics. It's completely valid to know how effective it will be before we buy it.

No, it really isn't valid. You can only say it looks good on paper or it doesn't look good on paper. You just build the wall. If you build it, they won't come.

 

[suncowiam]

No, it really isn't valid. You can only say it looks good on paper or it doesn't look good on paper. You just build the wall. If you build it, they won't come.

Wow, Trump really knows his target base.

That's your only assertion in this matter? That by building a wall, it will solve illegal immigration?

If you don't see the flaw in this then Im just going to stop here with you and I.

 

[Kemosloby]

But more often a soundbite critically understated the problem and misrepresents it in an effort to be catchy.

Would be a pretty ineffective tunnel if the entrances were visible from the border. And I highly doubt laying foundation for the wall would expose them as other property construction like birder stations and personal property haven't.

I doubt the tunnels are very deep, heavy equipment running over them would probably collapse a lot of them. Drilling holes for pylons ever 10 feet would probably hit a few too.

 

[Kemosloby]

Wow, Trump really knows his target base.

That's your only assertion in this matter? That by building a wall, it will solve illegal immigration?

If you don't see the flaw in this then Im just going to stop here with you and I.

All the workers will flock to the wall for work. Simply make sure they are on the other side of it on the last day.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I doubt the tunnels are very deep, heavy equipment running over them would probably collapse a lot of them. Drilling holes for pylons ever 10 feet would probably hit a few too.

Once again even some of the discovered ones have whole towns on top of them, as well as border stations and other development. You seem content in underestimating this problem.

 

[Kemosloby]

Once again even some of the discovered ones have whole towns on top of them, as well as border stations and other development. You seem content in underestimating this problem.

Nobody seemed interested in my solution. Invade Mexico and build the wall on the Panama Canal.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Nobody seemed interested in my solution. Invade Mexico and build the wall on the Panama Canal.

Probably because that's not a solution either. Not even a band aid. We'd waste more money on a conflict we can't afford, alienate another ally who provides us with a huge chunk of our imported goods, would earn the ire of many other allied nations who might just decide we've been cocky gits playing world police long enough and knock us down a peg, and because it's immoral, unethical, and silly.

 

[Kemosloby]

Probably because that's not a solution either. Not even a band aid. We'd waste more money on a conflict we can't afford, alienate another ally who provides us with a huge chunk of our imported goods, would earn the ire of many other allied nations who might just decide we've been cocky gits playing world police long enough and knock us down a peg, and because it's immoral, unethical, and silly.

That will work out good, they can avoid Trumps import taxes and still provide goods. World police is what the world uses us for, at our expense and their gain. We should at least cover our costs with foreign oil, instead of racking our services cost onto the national debt.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That will work out good, they can avoid Trumps import taxes and still provide goods. World police is what the world uses us for, at our expense and their gain. We should at least cover our costs with foreign oil, instead of racking our services cost onto the national debt.

The hubris, christ.

 

[BSM1]

How do you know that a wall will help? Plus, what is the cost effectiveness of such a wall. How many less immigrants are we preventing? My point is that there is no data. It's all based on assumptions.

I am against illegal immigration. I just don't like seeing money wash down the toilet.

You're right, by golly. Let's just put drones up there and shoot the buggers as they cross the border.

 

[suncowiam]

You're right, by golly. Let's just put drones up there and shoot the buggers as they cross the border.

The logic you and others are proposing is to do something without foresight of how that something will be effective.

Let's just build the wall and hope it works is all I'm hearing.

Focus on the wall because that is the OP. If you and others want to validate it then lets do more than hope.

 

[McBell]

I assume there will still be quite a large chunk of money going towards border issues.
Mexico's people aren't dumb enough to forget how to use ropes and ladders, after all.
Same theme, different scenario, billions wasted.

why would they bother with ropes and ladders to scale a wall they are already going under?

 

[McBell]

The wall will go along way to protect our southern border and help makes us a nation of laws again.

I seriously doubt it.
Far as I can tell, the wall will merely make some people feel as though there has been something done.
Much like the "security checks" at airports.

 

[McBell]

Nobody seemed interested in my solution. Invade Mexico and build the wall on the Panama Canal.

you might want to look up on a map where the Panama Canal is located and try again.

 

[McBell]

You're right, by golly. Let's just put drones up there and shoot the buggers as they cross the border.

Just think of the jobs that would create?
You got to have pilots, techs, mechanics, power stations to rechrge the batteries, clean up crews....

 

[Kemosloby]

you might want to look up on a map where the Panama Canal is located and try again.

Yeah, right at the end of the new state of Mexico, not far past Honduras county. The short narrow spot where the wall is going.

 

[fantome profane]

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I was just watching on the news that the cost of border problems is 100 billion dollars a year roughly and that securing the border with a wall will cost 20 billion dollars and save us money. I don't think the wall is a bad idea. Trump is overly optimistic and obviously mistaken in thinking we will get Mexico to pay, but either way we will save money by securing the borders
The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Have you taken a good look at the source of this article? Have you concluded that they are reliable and accurate?

Wikipedia.

Although FAIR describes itself as nonpartisan[26] and Georgie Anne Geyer, author of Americans No More: The Death of Citizenship, describes FAIR as a "highly respected group", FAIR has been criticized repeatedly as politically conservative.[27][28][29] According to Andrew Wroe, a lecturer in American Politics and author of The Republican Party and Immigration Politics,[30] the recent activities of FAIR show the evidences why FAIR can be viewed as an extremist group.[31] For instance, under John Tanton's leadership, FAIR received charitable donations of $1.2 million between 1983 and 1994 from the Pioneer Fund,[32] an organization dedicated to "improving the character of the American people" by promoting the practice of eugenics, or selective breeding.[33][34] The Pioneer Fund was also described by the Sunday Telegraph as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics" in 1989.[35] FAIR has responded to this criticism by asserting that the Fund clearly states that it supports equal opportunity for all Americans, regardless of race, religion, national origin, or ethnicity; that other major institutions, including universities and medical facilities in the United States and other countries, have also accepted grants from the Fund;[36] and that the Fund's contributions to FAIR were used only for the general operation of the organization.[37] Tanton's activities are documented in 17 file boxes of archives he donated to the Bentley Historical Library at the University of Michigan.[38] Other FAIR organization records are stored at the Special Collections Research Center at the George Washington University.[39]

In December 2007, FAIR was designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). SPLC accused leaders of FAIR of meeting with leaders of the Belgian Nationalist group Vlaams Belang which had been condemned by the Belgian Court of Cassation for violations of the law against racism.[40] According to SPLC, FAIR and Vlaams Belang share a common notion of Nativism, a political viewpoint that supports restrictions on Immigration. Studies on the association between individuals' perceptions on immigration and Nativism by Sebastian Normandin and D. Schneider reveal that the majority of supporters for Anti-Immigration often believe that the reckless inflow of immigrants to their motherland should be controlled in order to maintain the stability in society.[41][42] FAIR has responded to this charge by stating that there is no factual basis for the accusation; that FAIR has compiled a long record of mainstream credibility and respect on immigration issues and has always opposed discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, or religion; and that the accusation is an "act of desperation, resulting from the SPLC's failure to convince the American people of their viewpoint."[37][43] FAIR president Dan Stein said of the SPLC, "They've decided to engage in unsubstantiated, invidious name-calling, smearing millions of people in this movement who simply want to see the law enforced and, frankly, lower levels of immigration".[44]

 

[McBell]

Yeah, right at the end of the new state of Mexico, not far past Honduras county. The short narrow spot where the wall is going.

like I said, try looking up on a map where the Panama Canal is and try again.

You have heard of the country called "Panama", right?

 

[Deathbydefault]

why would they bother with ropes and ladders to scale a wall they are already going under?

Because not all of them will go under the wall.

 

[McBell]

Because not all of them go under the wall.

do you honestly think if the wall is built that no one else will use the tunnels?