Pilgrim Soldier
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That's a strange logicOnly in terms of determining whether my natural surroundings were created by someone. Logic 101.
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That's a strange logicOnly in terms of determining whether my natural surroundings were created by someone. Logic 101.
The evidence is, that nobody has ever proven this claim wrong in all of human history and they never will. That is rock solid evidenceNice claim. Evidence?
No, science holds to the theory of cause and effect. So noting can just come into existence without a cause, especially complex life which requires a creatorI pointed out before that science does NOT say that 'something came from nothing'. In fact, it is *religion* that says this.
What science actually says is that whenever there was time, there was also space, matter, and energy.
So, don't claim that others are holding to a belief that is implied by your system and NOT by theirs.
The evidence is, that nobody has ever proven this claim wrong in all of human history and they never will. That is rock solid evidence
No, science holds to the theory of cause and effect. So noting can just come into existence without a cause, especially complex life which requires a creator
That's what God claims in His Word the Bible. He actually says, "they shall seek diligently and not find" so He does hide the truth from everyone except His elect.Isn't that convenient? you can ignore the evidence and say the truth is just hidden.
On the other side, I say that the truth is public and can be observed. All you need to do is take the actual evidence seriously.
A deity that withholds evidence to fool people is a deceiver. Do you really claim that is what is going on?
the evidence is plain, but the truth is foolishness to those who are perishingYou're contradicting yourself (not for the first time). How can this 'evidence' be stark and before us if it's being deliberately hidden by your god?
You appear to have wrapped yourself up in an entirely self-referential belief system that no element of reality can be allowed to upset. Any evidence, no matter how solid, can be dismissed as god's deception, hiding of the truth, or doing things in ways that we cannot understand or judge because of our limitations.
What is somewhat puzzling though is, given how compressively you've wrapped yourself up in this reality excluding bubble, why you seem so reluctant to even acknowledging when your caricature of science is corrected. For example, how many times have you accused science or people here of thinking the universe came from nothing and how many times has this been corrected only to have you repeat it again as if nobody had said anything about it? Why do you seem so scared to acknowledge that science has different ideas if you can just wave them away too as being god hiding the truth?
Ok so we came back to the old everything came from nothing. Nothing caused everything to existThere is no 'law of cause and effect' in science. That is, at best, a philosophical proposal.
If anything, the quantum level is known to be uncaused.
I know that game, you set the rules of the test then you revert back to the old circular reasoning trickNo, that is NOT evidence. Here's a question: what is a test that, if it goes the way you don't expect it will, will show you are wrong?
Passing that test will be evidence. But you have to suggest the test first.
That's what God claims in His Word the Bible. He actually says, "they shall seek diligently and not find" so He does hide the truth from everyone except His elect.
The Bible is full of examples where God hardens the heart of people like Pharaoh and other Kings and rulers to stop them from finding the truth and being saved.
I know that game, you set the rules of the test then you revert back to the old circular reasoning trick
Ok so we came back to the old everything came from nothing. Nothing caused everything to exist
the evidence is plain, but the truth is foolishness to those who are perishing
That's a strange logic
the evidence is plain, but the truth is foolishness to those who are perishing
Ok so we came back to the old everything came from nothing. Nothing caused everything to exist
The evidence is, that nobody has ever proven this claim wrong in all of human history and they never will. That is rock solid evidence
Ok so we came back to the old everything came from nothing. Nothing caused everything to exist
I see that you are still having a tough time grasping the concept of circular reasoning. And no I made no admission of circularity. What part was too hard to understand?Well thanks for finally admitting that secular science is based on circular reasoning. You just admitted the evidence has to be interpreted in accordance with circular reasoning or scientific method which are one and the same.
It is now clear to me that secular science is your god
Yes, because we know why a painting is a painting. But it appears that you cannot tell the difference between this:
And this: