Truth

[Guitar's Cry]

So everything is a truth then?

In its own way. I realize this becomes impractical in its generalization, but I think exploring reality in these terms is useful when studying epistemology.

 

[Willamena]

In its own way.

In context (which I suspect is the "relationship" Sunstone spoke of).

 

[harleydavidson]

to guitars cry,,hi y'all,.you say,," but the hallucination still exists..",according to Webster Hallucinations are a preception of something not actually present..if the thing is not based in reality ,there can be correlation twixt the mind and reality.Sunstones post also reflects the mind/reality correlation.when he sez truth is ...a relationship between a proposition and what it referrs to.....harley davidson

 

[Guitar's Cry]

to guitars cry,,hi y'all,.you say,," but the hallucination still exists..",according to Webster Hallucinations are a preception of something not actually present..if the thing is not based in reality ,there can be correlation twixt the mind and reality.Sunstones post also reflects the mind/reality correlation.when he sez truth is ...a relationship between a proposition and what it referrs to.....harley davidson

I agree with Sunstone's "Map and territory" analogy, but would add that the map alone--not considering how accurately it represents the terrain--is a truth itself.

The hallucination is present. It is experienced. Even if it is nothing more than an imbalance of neurotransmitters, it is there. It interacts with mental schemata to provide something that is truthful in its relationship.

 

[Willamena]

I agree with Sunstone's "Map and territory" analogy, but would add that the map alone--not considering how accurately it represents the terrain--is a truth itself.

The hallucination is present. It is experienced. Even if it is nothing more than an imbalance of neurotransmitters, it is there. It interacts with mental schemata to provide something that is truthful in its relationship.

Is a "truth itself", or is "existent"?

Present, experienced, "is": these are existence measures.

 

[Francine]

Facts are the way things are. Truth is a property of the relationship between a proposition and what it refers to. Consider a map. The map is said to be true in so far as it has a certain kind of relationship to the terrain it refers to. That relationship consists in whether it predicts the terrain it refers to or not. To the extent it accurately predicts the terrain it refers to, the map is said to be true. Just my hunch.

Since true/false propositions require a conscious being who has ideas, truth is simply the agreement of any one of our ideas with all other ideas.

 

[Sunstone]

Since true/false propositions require a conscious being who has ideas, truth is simply the agreement of any one of our ideas with all other ideas.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Is a "truth itself", or is "existent"?

Present, experienced, "is": these are existence measures.

I would say both. Hm...of course, it may be I haven't quite studied my usage of the word "truth" in accordance to others as carefully as I should...

A "truth" is something that aligns correctly with our sense of reality. That works with Sunstone's "map vs. territory" fairly well until the question of "what is the territory" comes up (I think so, anyway). So going on that, a hallucination--even after deemed a trick of the mind by the observer--is a truth as a hallucination.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure I mean both. I'll think on it some more.

 

[Autodidact]

Francine, the way things are? People are killign each other and thats good. Just because that is the way it is, doesent make it the truth.

? Are you saying that it is not true that people are killing each other?

 

[God lover]

Pilate asked Jesus "What is truth?" and got silence in reply. Christians believe Jesus is the truth and the life and the way, but that comes across as a sound bite. So I'm interested in what truth is. That's my short answer: Truth is the way things are.

What was the reason for Jesus silence?

 

[God lover]

to guitarcry ,,,hi re. your post of today ,,see Mystemias reply of today ,,it's perfect,if you say we wld know truth because we experience the moment ,,we have arrived simply at a subjective moment ,and that tells you nothing. I hate to name drop ,but Descartes sez it all in his" Discourse on Method",,the senses are not to be trusted. The senses lie to us ,they mislead us and they can not be used to verify themselves. So we may be stuck in "Never Neber Land"...........harley davidson

I have heard this before. It is something I am very interested in. Can we rely on our experience while seeking truth.

Sometimes I see a black dot in my perifial vision. A spider! Aaaahhhh. And when I look closer I see it was a dark Knott in the wooden tables surface. Phew!

My further investigation showed me it's a part of the tree that the wood was cut from. I have seen trees before. I have seen movies with lumberjacks in them. I have used a saw before. So, a culmination of things I think I know have showed me a certain level of truth I think. Lol. I think? Um...

Oh huff and fluff! I know it's a wooden table. I know it's a Knott. Is this truth?

10 years from now I might look back and remember the time I saw a spider on the table but it was just a crumb. Still true that it wasn't a spider, but false that it was a crumb.

Can we trust our experience?

I like to say yes!

But I think we need to always investigate further to build upon the truth we know. And we need to use discernment to test the truth we think we see.

 

[Shadow of Liberty]