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Tunisia and Egypt ! Way to go

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
Well, I have no faith in whatever Mubarak would do. His puppet vice and fake government changed nothing.
Obviously, everything we ever complained about is just there again. The same policies, the same kind of decisions, the same annoying announcements.

I'm going back again because I realized it will break our hearts if Mubarak didn't leave after all this, and after all the causalities.

Also,how should I allow the person responsible for killing my brothers and sisters to remain in control?

Screw with the legsilations and politics...I'm sick of him, and he should simply leave!!
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
He and his regime, Ahmed! Glad that you went back to the protests! It makes no sense if Mubarak alone went away and Omar Suleiman (America and Israel's favourite) took over the throne!!!!
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
Do you sense how the officials of the regime are keen on talking to the American media?

Ahmed Aboul Gheit, the Egyptian foreign minister, has rejected US calls for the immediate repeal of its emergency law and said Washington seemed to be trying to impose its will on Cairo.
Asked if he viewed the advice provided by Joe Biden, the US vice-president, as helpful, Gheit told the PBS NewsHour programme "not at all,” according to an interview transcript provided by the US TV broadcaster on Wednesday.
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Asked why he found this unhelpful, Gheit told PBS: "Because when you speak about prompt, immediate, now - as if you are imposing on a great country like Egypt, a great friend that has always maintained the best of relationship with the United States, you are imposing your will on him."
He also said he was astounded that Biden had called for ending the emergency law as the government grapples with mass street protests now in their third week.
"When I read it this morning I was really amazed because right now, as we speak, we have 17,000 prisoners loose in the streets out of jails that have been destroyed. How can you ask me to sort of disband that emergency law while I'm in difficulty?" he said.
"Give me time, allow me to have control to stabilise the nation, to stabilise the state and then we would look into the issue."
Egypt rejects US advice on reforms - Middle East - Al Jazeera English


Did you watch part I of the interview with Mohammed Hassanin Heikal on Al Jazeera?

He said that regime will continue its arrests and oppression!!
 

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
It's going to be over very soon. enshaAllah

An amazing revolution like this should end up with complete victory.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
What do you think of the idea of marching to the Presidential Palace; an escalating move that some think to make on Friday?
 

Cordoba

Well-Known Member
What do you think of the idea of marching to the Presidential Palace; an escalating move that some think to make on Friday?

Thousands of people would die if that idea is implemented

(imo) it's a very unwise idea
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
It could be dangerous but there must be some sort of escalation. How can we force them to leave?

I like what that journalist said on CNN:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxntDscznfA&feature=player_embedded

And I agree with him that the army has not been neutral, it already chose its side; the regime's side. :(

Egypt's army 'involved in detentions and torture' | World news | The Guardian
The Egyptian military has secretly detained hundreds and possibly thousands of suspected government opponents since mass protests against President Hosni Mubarak began, and at least some of these detainees have been tortured, according to testimony gathered by the Guardian.
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The Guardian has spoken to detainees who say they have suffered extensive beatings and other abuses at the hands of the military in what appears to be an organised campaign of intimidation. Human rights groups have documented the use of electric shocks on some of those held by the army.
Egyptian human rights groups say families are desperately searching for missing relatives who have disappeared into army custody. Some of the detainees have been held inside the renowned Museum of Egyptian Antiquities on the edge of Tahrir Square. Those released have given graphic accounts of physical abuse by soldiers who accused them of acting for foreign powers, including Hamas and Israel.
Among those detained have been human rights activists, lawyers and journalists, but most have been released. However, Hossam Bahgat, director of the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights in Cairo, said hundreds, and possibly thousands, of ordinary people had "disappeared" into military custody across the country for no more than carrying a political flyer, attending the demonstrations or even the way they look. Many were still missing.
"Their range is very wide, from people who were at the protests or detained for breaking curfew to those who talked back at an army officer or were handed over to the army for looking suspicious or for looking like foreigners even if they were not," he said. "It's unusual and to the best of our knowledge it's also unprecedented for the army to be doing this."
One of those detained by the army was a 23-year-old man who would only give his first name, Ashraf, for fear of again being arrested. He was detained last Friday on the edge of Tahrir Square carrying a box of medical supplies intended for one of the makeshift clinics treating protesters attacked by pro-Mubarak forces.
"I was on a sidestreet and a soldier stopped me and asked me where I was going. I told him and he accused me of working for foreign enemies and other soldiers rushed over and they all started hitting me with their guns," he said.
Ashraf was hauled off to a makeshift army post where his hands were bound behind his back and he was beaten some more before being moved to an area under military control at the back of the museum.
"They put me in a room. An officer came and asked me who was paying me to be against the government. When I said I wanted a better government he hit me across the head and I fell to the floor. Then soldiers started kicking me. One of them kept kicking me between my legs," he said.
"They got a bayonet and threatened to rape me with it. Then they waved it between my legs. They said I could die there or I could disappear into prison and no one would ever know. The torture was painful but the idea of disappearing in a military prison was really frightening."
Ashraf said the beatings continued on and off for several hours until he was put in a room with about a dozen other men, all of whom had been severely tortured. He was let go after about 18 hours with a warning not to return to Tahrir Square.
Others have not been so lucky. Heba Morayef, a Human Rights Watch researcher in Cairo, said: "A lot of families are calling us and saying: 'I can't find my son, he's disappeared.' I think what's happening is that they're being arrested by the military."


Sad news!!:( I have no problem believing this...
 

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
In many news sources right now its said that Mubarak will leave tonight. I hope this is true. I'm not sure yet what is this based on.
 

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
I can't stop my tears that I'm not in Egypt, celebrating this amazing day with the most amazing people in Tahrir Square.

Long live Egypt!

اليوم اعشق مصريتي!!
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
We were all happy before his incredibly stupid and crazy speech!! What's wrong with this man? Why all this arrogance? God!!!!!
:areyoucra :areyoucra
 

EiNsTeiN

Boo-h!
The situation is truly confusing...Even Wael Ghoneim is confused now.

We are waiting for the new army's announcement.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
The biggest mistake is that we are counting on one name "Wael Ghonim". This is definitely wrong and harmful to the entire issue. IMO, Wael shouldn't have talked to all these news agencies like this. If Wael said yes let's continue and people died, he will definitely be blamed for that. And if he said no, this is enough...then his voice will take over other voices that might disagree with him and his group. And I am sure he is deeply concerned about this. Because a few words from him can move or calm a lot of youth.
Secondly, how do we guarantee that the regime will not arrest the organizers of the revolution and the activists and by this, it will kill the revolution? Why now trusting the regime? The regime didn't fall, it's still there even if Mubarak disappeared a little from the picture...unfortunately again and again the regime divided and confused most of us. Why not we throw this corrupt regime away and completely from the authority? And by this we will be assured that this regime went away and forever...
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I would suggest that all our Egyptian friends tread very softly for the next few days. Don't give the regime the pretext it needs to crush this popular uprising.

I am curious though, what do you folks in Egypt think of the comments from the White House, thus far? (Up to an including Mubarak stating he will not step down.)
 
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