Two men doesn't make a mother

[David T]

"Two men doesn't make a mother" is the title of the campaign started by a right-wing association fighting the legalization of gay parenthood \ surrogate pregnancy.

The mayor of Rome Virginia Raggi ordered to have those billboards immediately removed...because they are offensive towards gay parental couples and LGBT community.

Raggi's decision obviously made Giorgia Meloni, very angry, since she was a supporter of this campaign.

Let the ladies decide. Although personally. They seem conflicted on this topic!!!!

 

[Kirran]

I assure you that there are gay guys in her party. Two, as far as I know

My question stands!

 

[Jumi]

Like all politics, it's a play on meanings evoked by words. When you think of mothers, you have a certain image... it is like they are saying fathers not that important? I'd say more important than having a father or mother is having parent(s).

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Anyone vaguely interested in mothers, and not political statements would know that there are good mothers and bad mothers.
Good mothers are good because they love their children and are worthy of utmost respect.
Bad mothers managed to fall pregnant and give birth.

This

 

[Stanyon]

There was a curious study awhile back that found same-sex couples raise mentally and emotionally healthier children on average than mixed-sex couples. I don't know if the study has ever been supported by further studies.

That seems to be the want and wish for many supporters, that somehow gay and lesbian couples are these magical unions that seem to produce better parents but I imagine the truth about gay and lesbian parents is that the children are no better or worse off than being raised by straight couples.

Here is a collection of studies from Cornell University:

What We Know | What does the scholarly research say about the well-being of children with gay or lesbian parents? | What We Know

 

[Estro Felino]

Like all politics, it's a play on meanings evoked by words. When you think of mothers, you have a certain image... it is like they are saying fathers not that important? I'd say more important than having a father or mother is having parent(s).

Exactly...children can have wonderful gay parents...and parental love doesn't depend on gender.
Although I still oppose the practice of fabricating children through surrogate pregnancy

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The thing about same-sex couples is that their children are more likely to be planned and prepared for for obvious reasons, and they probably strive harder than average since they're held under much more scrutiny.

That is the thing considering that same sex couples have to adopt (I believe some adoption agencies have restrictions on this however).

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I'm aware of at least a few studies that suggest a tendency towards same-sex couples raising children who are better off mentally and emotionally.

Right but consequently these few studies does not mean being in a homosexual household means a healthier child rearing. There are so many confounding factors to determine this.

 

[Jumi]

Exactly...children can have wonderful gay parents...and parental love doesn't depend on gender.
Although I still oppose the practice of fabricating children through surrogate pregnancy

Agreed. I'm also opposed to surrogates, there are too many children that need adoption.

 

[Estro Felino]

My question stands!

I consider Virginia and her party good...I would support them. Nevertheless Giorgia has important international ties...with Steve Bannon...Orban and M Le Pen

 

[Kirran]

I consider Virginia and her party good...I would support them. Nevertheless Giorgia has important international ties...with Steve Bannon...Orban and M Le Pen

But like, why support ANY party at all?

 

[Milton Platt]

"Two men doesn't make a mother" is the title of the campaign started by a right-wing association fighting the legalization of gay parenthood \ surrogate pregnancy.

The mayor of Rome Virginia Raggi ordered to have those billboards immediately removed...because they are offensive towards gay parental couples and LGBT community.

Raggi's decision obviously made Giorgia Meloni, very angry, since she was a supporter of this campaign.

I think it is a stupid tag line, amd I can see how someone would disapprove. But I don’t see how censorship should come into play. Gay billboards are also offensive to some people....should they als be censored? No in both cases.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Right but consequently these few studies does not mean being in a homosexual household means a healthier child rearing. There are so many confounding factors to determine this.

I didn't say it means they automatically get a healthier child.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I consider Virginia and her party good...I would support them. Nevertheless Giorgia has important international ties...with Steve Bannon...Orban and M Le Pen

Bannon is a Leninist who is trying to destroy society. He has admitted this. No nationalist has any business allying with him (I am a nationalist, too). He also looks like a bloated corpse and I expect him to keel over and die any day now.
Steve Bannon, Trump’s Top Guy, Told Me He Was ‘a Leninist’

The only decent one you mentioned is Marine Le Pen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There was a curious study awhile back that found same-sex couples raise mentally and emotionally healthier children on average than mixed-sex couples. I don't know if the study has ever been supported by further studies.

That makes some sense since those people really wanted to have those kids. Some parents seem to feel that they were stuck with their children against their will. Is it any wonder that a couple that went out of their way to raise children might do a better job than those who forgot to wear a condom one night?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I didn't say it means they automatically get a healthier child.

Right you were mentioning studies and in response I was merely commenting on those studies which you’ve mentioned not you yourself.

 

[suncowiam]

The thing about same-sex couples is that their children are more likely to be planned and prepared for for obvious reasons, and they probably strive harder than average since they're held under much more scrutiny.

You have a great point.

I rent to low income folks and, frankly, I have so many applicants that are single mothers raising 3-4 kids. It is what it is but we have to educate folks that having children is a huge responsibility that will require a lifetime of commitment.