TX Lt. Gov. Blames El Paso Shooting on Not Letting Kids “Pray in Our Schools”

[Ellen Brown]

I've never heard Trump condone the action of anybody doing a mass shooting.

In his initial campaign he'd make inflammatory statements during his speaking engagements. It was all on the news, and now many have forgotten? Not surprising.

 

[Heyo]

I believe this governor is saying what he thinks.

Even if I apply Hanlon's Razor (and I'd be reluctant to do so for a career politician) the effect is the same.

 

[Skwim]

When you ban God from schools or anywhere else, it just makes more room for evil to step in.

Nobody banned god from schools. Kids can pray to themselves just about anytime they wish as long as doesn't interfere with their school work.

And just what is god doing mindlessly sitting in his easy chair all the while evil does its work?

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[Kangaroo Feathers]

 

[Kenny]

Uhh wasn’t the first recorded school shooting in America from like the 1700s?

Here’s a stronger correlation. Nation is flooded with guns, mass shooting occurs.

When the tragic news broke I recall the newsreader saying it was like the 250th mass shooting (or school shooting) that year for America. We were like, damn! Are you a first world country or a war zone?

Hmmmm.... shootings have been in existence from the day there were bows and arrows

 

[Ellen Brown]

Australia doesn't have prayer in schools either. Weird we only seem to average a mass shooting about once every three years, huh?

Perhaps this Governor is simply blaming the children for not doing what the Adults should be doing and teaching? Not particularly promoting religion but simply stating that if we somehow talked about and advocated non violence, perhaps we'd have it?

 

[Kenny]

Are you suggesting that people in the US weren't killing each other "back then" (whenever "back then" is)? What correlation are you trying to make, and do you have numbers to establish that correlation? And in your numbers, will you include the lynching of uppity black folks? Will you include the murders of and by gangsters during foolish episodes like prohibition?, Because if I recall, there was some violence back then, even though there were no video games.

Can you see history as it really was, or do you insist on editing it so that it conforms to your predisposed notions?

No... my point is the exponential GROWTH in things like that..,,. After all, one generation from Adam and Eve there was already murder.

Context, my dear friend, context.

 

[SomeRandom]

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Hmmmm.... shootings have been in existence from the day there were bows and arrows

Sure, but unless you’re literally Legolas, pretty sure you can kill way more people with a semi automatic than a bow and arrow. Hell you could kill more people with a pistol.

Archers don’t pose as much of a potential threat to society as gun enthusiasts. (Not to suggest a gun enthusiast is necessarily dangerous of course.) An archer can be brought down faster and kill less people in a mass shooting circumstance.

Still the correlation stands. Flood the market with guns, gun violence occurs. People are kind of ********.

Though your bow and arrow mass shooting might be more of a novelty to the press, like a Medieval inspired serial killer or something.

 

[SomeRandom]

Perhaps this Governor is simply blaming the children for not doing what the Adults should be doing and teaching? Not particularly promoting religion but simply stating that if we somehow talked about and advocated non violence, perhaps we'd have it?

Non violence is not necessarily religious. And there have been plenty of religious inspired violence through the centuries. Every other modern nation doesn’t have 50 mass shootings every day and they aren’t necessarily religious. War Zones today are fraught with both violence and the religious. The Governor is a nonce.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

No... my point is the exponential GROWTH in things like that..,,. After all, one generation from Adam and Eve there was already murder.

Context, my dear friend, context.

Exceptional growth in only the US. Heathen Japan has a tiny amount of crime and even less gun violence.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Hmmm an anti Hispanic hate campaign on a website glorifying white nationalism... *looks over at the white house.* nah. Blame secularism.

 

[Kenny]

I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers—and it was not there. . . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests—and it was not there. . . . .in her rich mines and her vast world commerce—and it was not there. . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution—and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.

alexis de tocqueville

Apparently some people noticed.

 

[Kenny]

Exceptional growth in only the US. Heathen Japan has a tiny amount of crime and even less gun violence.

Relevancy for here in the US?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Relevancy for here in the US?

The relevant fact that secularism in schools doesnt make people more dangerous. White nationalism and easy access to firearms does, though.

 

[We Never Know]

Whenever there’s a mass shooting, you can count on Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick to say the worst thing imaginable. Last May, after an incident, he blamed abortion and video games and unarmed teachers and too many entrances in schools and a lack of forced Christianity. In 2016, just after the Pulse nightclub massacre, he tweeted a Bible verse that said “A man reaps what he sows.” (He later deleted that tweet without apology or explanation.)

Now he’s doing the same thing about the El Paso shooting

Appearing on Fox & Friends, this morning Patrick got plenty of attention for blaming video games… even though the shooter made it clear he was following through on Donald Trump‘s anti-Hispanic rhetoric. But that’s not all he said.

He also said one of the causes was that kids no longer pray in schools.

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… I look at, on Sunday morning, when most of your viewers right now, half of the country, are getting ready to go to church, and yet tomorrow, we won’t let our kids even pray in our schools…​

He’s lying. (He’s a conservative Christian, so it comes with the territory.)

Besides the fact that it’s still summer vacation for most kids, so they wouldn’t be praying in school anyway, he’s flat-out wrong. Kids have always been allowed to pray in school. No atheist has ever tried to take that right away from them.

What Patrick presumably means to say is that school shootings are the result of Christianity not being forced upon all students — as if school shootings are the fault of Jews, Muslims, and atheists, and not a combination of right-wing bigotry mixed with easy access to weapons of war. Pushing Christianity in public school, in direct violation of those words that come before the Second Amendment, wouldn’t solve a damn thing. Saying meaningless words to an imaginary being won’t fix our gun problems.

Remember: There are far fewer religious people in other nations, and no one sees the level of gun violence that we do.
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What crock of crap! IMO if kids have to go to a public school, they should be protected from crazies, idiots, etc outside of the school. Failing to do so is a failure of our system.

 

[Father Heathen]

The relevant fact that secularism in schools doesnt make people more dangerous. White nationalism and easy access to firearms does, though.

And a lot of these shooters probably identify as conservative Christians. A lot of good faith and prayer did them.

 

[Father Heathen]

What crock of crap! IMO if kids have to go to a public school, they should be protected from crazies, idiots, etc outside of the school. Failing to do so is a failure of our system.

Public school kids need to be protected from those who want to indoctrinate them with religious propaganda.

 

[We Never Know]

Public school kids need to be protected from those who want to indoctrinate them with religious propaganda.

Public schools should be protected from outsiders period.

 

[Kenny]

Public schools should be protected from outsiders period.

I'm more concerned about the insiders than the outsiders.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Whenever there’s a mass shooting, you can count on Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick to say the worst thing imaginable. Last May, after an incident, he blamed abortion and video games and unarmed teachers and too many entrances in schools and a lack of forced Christianity. In 2016, just after the Pulse nightclub massacre, he tweeted a Bible verse that said “A man reaps what he sows.” (He later deleted that tweet without apology or explanation.)

Now he’s doing the same thing about the El Paso shooting

Appearing on Fox & Friends, this morning Patrick got plenty of attention for blaming video games… even though the shooter made it clear he was following through on Donald Trump‘s anti-Hispanic rhetoric. But that’s not all he said.

He also said one of the causes was that kids no longer pray in schools.

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… I look at, on Sunday morning, when most of your viewers right now, half of the country, are getting ready to go to church, and yet tomorrow, we won’t let our kids even pray in our schools…​

He’s lying. (He’s a conservative Christian, so it comes with the territory.)

Besides the fact that it’s still summer vacation for most kids, so they wouldn’t be praying in school anyway, he’s flat-out wrong. Kids have always been allowed to pray in school. No atheist has ever tried to take that right away from them.

What Patrick presumably means to say is that school shootings are the result of Christianity not being forced upon all students — as if school shootings are the fault of Jews, Muslims, and atheists, and not a combination of right-wing bigotry mixed with easy access to weapons of war. Pushing Christianity in public school, in direct violation of those words that come before the Second Amendment, wouldn’t solve a damn thing. Saying meaningless words to an imaginary being won’t fix our gun problems.

Remember: There are far fewer religious people in other nations, and no one sees the level of gun violence that we do.
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Could you possibly show more insensitivity while people are mourning a horrible tragedy?